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If you are in their establishment unable to CCW and something happens (robbery, active shooting...) while you are there remember to keep your receipt (proof you were there at the time) and sue them because they denied you your rights. Make it costly to them for denying your rights and the rights of others to CCW on their premises.  They put you in danger especially if they don't have armed security.  JMO  ;)

The Chessecake Factory sign doesn't meet the requirements posted on the https://www.oneoahu.org/sensitive-places page.  According to that C&C page, the sign must be 8.5 x 11", and placed not less than 40" and not more than 60" from the bottom of the door.  That could be helpful if someone had to defend themselves in court for carrying in that location.
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My apologies. I did read that but I am not. very legal jargon savvy. Does "on hold" mean no can do or we can until SCOTUS or other determinations?

The guys here are very knowledgeable about the legal process and the steps being taken to protect our rights, but I also keep an eye on the city & county web page about firearms and sensitive places.  https://www.oneoahu.org/sensitive-places
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I just saw this - so this would apply to public parks and beaches, they're not currently enforcing there either right?  I guess that would explain why they haven't changed the https://www.oneoahu.org/sensitive-places web page yet.


Hawaii responded to the petition.

To sum it up, until a decision to be heard en banc (full 9th judge panel), the current 9th (3 judge panel) ruling isn't in effect yet.

Which means the automatic ban on private property open to the public is still not enforceable by the law. So u can carry without having to ask permission.  The 9th's 3 judge panel ruled that you cannot, but haven't signed the order yet due to the above.

Some people already knew this, but the AG"s office refused to confirm it. Had the 9th's ruling been in effect, I'm sure the AG's office would have stated so, but instead stated something like "we cannot confirm anything".

To sum it up again, it's a procedural matter right now why you can still carry on private property open to the public without needing permission.
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I see that the C&C www.oneoahu.org/sensitive-places page hasn't been updated to reflect the recent circuit court decision.  The HPD page links to it, and when I applied for CCW they verbally told me to watch that page for any changes in the law.  I guess it doesn't mean anything, but you'd think they would make an effort to keep the page updated.
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The corrupt 9th ruled that cancelled the injuction for all except for banks.

So as of now, u can carry at a bank.

All other places are banned and u need permission on private property now.

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Infuriating.  Is there any recourse or is that the end of the road?

And I wonder what their definition of "beach" is.  Is a rocky coastline considered a beach?
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Strategies and Tactics / Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« on: August 30, 2024, 05:22:01 PM »
The older sounding lady that usually answers the phone is very nice and knows her stuff.  She isn't a police officer, but works for HPD.  I've talked to her many times over the years and always got answers to my questions.  But I've never seen her working either counter.  So I think she's in the back.

Yeah that sounds like who I got.  She did her best to be helpful.  And in the end it worked out okay.  I actually haven't had a bad experience with any of the guys at the window either.
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Strategies and Tactics / Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« on: August 21, 2024, 06:45:56 PM »
Hi, new to the group.  Just thought I would post my experience so far about the CCW waiting period.  I'm at day 104 and no letter yet.  I called HPD to inquire after I passed 90 days.  After going through numerous menus & recorded instructions, I got to a nice woman who tried to be helpful, but she essentially reminded me that they have 120 days.  I asked her about the automatic denial if you're not approved within 120 days, and I had the impression she hadn't heard about that.  She said they do not do it like that.  She said no one is automatically denied just because they don't get the letter from them.  She suggested I call back closer to 120 days if I still haven't heard anything.

So we'll see.  I think they're just overwhelmed.

I received my approval letter today, day 110.  I hope this helps anyone else who might be stressing a little becase their letter didn't come as soon as others may have said.  I think they're just really busy getting through all the applications, and they do seem to be using most of the 120 days.
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Strategies and Tactics / Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« on: August 15, 2024, 08:38:58 PM »
Hi, new to the group.  Just thought I would post my experience so far about the CCW waiting period.  I'm at day 104 and no letter yet.  I called HPD to inquire after I passed 90 days.  After going through numerous menus & recorded instructions, I got to a nice woman who tried to be helpful, but she essentially reminded me that they have 120 days.  I asked her about the automatic denial if you're not approved within 120 days, and I had the impression she hadn't heard about that.  She said they do not do it like that.  She said no one is automatically denied just because they don't get the letter from them.  She suggested I call back closer to 120 days if I still haven't heard anything.

So we'll see.  I think they're just overwhelmed.
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