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Legal and Activism / Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« on: May 20, 2026, 05:35:59 PM »
Quote from: zippz on May 17, 2026, 09:45:53 PM
Preliminary injunction is still in place for the bans requiring express permission, parks/beaches, places serving alcohol, banks, shared parking lots. The 9th circuit en banc opinion/order removing the preliminary injunction never took effect due to SCOTUS stepping in.  The bans may comeback partially, depends what SCOTUS does next month.

Thank you zippz, much appreciated.  :shaka:
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Legal and Activism / Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« on: May 15, 2026, 11:30:51 PM »
Quote from: Ashiya on May 14, 2026, 12:13:04 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this to be the document granting the injunction:

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-hid-1_23-cv-00265/pdf/USCOURTS-hid-1_23-cv-00265-0.pdf

It was found on this page:

https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/USCOURTS-hid-1_23-cv-00265/USCOURTS-hid-1_23-cv-00265-0/context

Thank you for the links.  I guess it boils down to whether or not that TRO & preliminary injunction are still in place.  My understanding is that the Supreme Court case only involves the "default rule" for private businesses, and doesn't involve the other portions of the TRO like beaches, parks, etc.  I think most TROs have a time limit, but I don't see that in the 91 page document.  Though I might have missed it.  Others here have far more understanding of these matters than I do.  It's just strange that they removed the page completely, when it was about the only official source to communicate the law to the public.  Maybe I need to print out that 91 page court order to carry in my vehicle.  ???
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Legal and Activism / Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« on: May 08, 2026, 05:00:55 PM »
Quote from: zippz on March 24, 2026, 09:53:29 PM
State law, which has no defined signage requirement, overrides the county requirements.  So any sign that clearly says no guns allowed is all they need.  It should be reasonably legible and visible to people entering the establishment.

A person should respect the establishments property rights and not carry there.  Best to leave a bad review and take your money where it's appreciated.

I notice that the sensitive places page (https://www.oneoahu.org/sensitive-places) is now gone.  When I applied for my CCW a couple of years ago, that's where HPD advised me to go to keep up with current laws.  In fact I carry a print out of that page in my vehicle.  Now I'm not aware of any "official" site that shows that the city can't enforce some parts of the law, including the default rule.  I know we're still waiting on the U.S. Supreme Court decision, but that site always gave me at least a little comfort to know I had something to show an officer if I was challenged.
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Legal and Activism / Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« on: March 24, 2026, 09:36:30 PM »
Quote from: Wchiro on March 23, 2026, 05:46:52 PM
If you are in their establishment unable to CCW and something happens (robbery, active shooting...) while you are there remember to keep your receipt (proof you were there at the time) and sue them because they denied you your rights. Make it costly to them for denying your rights and the rights of others to CCW on their premises.  They put you in danger especially if they don't have armed security.  JMO  ;)

The Chessecake Factory sign doesn't meet the requirements posted on the https://www.oneoahu.org/sensitive-places page.  According to that C&C page, the sign must be 8.5 x 11", and placed not less than 40" and not more than 60" from the bottom of the door.  That could be helpful if someone had to defend themselves in court for carrying in that location.
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Legal and Activism / Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« on: May 04, 2025, 11:02:11 PM »
Quote from: kekoa on May 04, 2025, 06:15:19 PM
My apologies. I did read that but I am not. very legal jargon savvy. Does "on hold" mean no can do or we can until SCOTUS or other determinations?

The guys here are very knowledgeable about the legal process and the steps being taken to protect our rights, but I also keep an eye on the city & county web page about firearms and sensitive places.  https://www.oneoahu.org/sensitive-places
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Legal and Activism / Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« on: November 17, 2024, 12:22:22 PM »
I just saw this - so this would apply to public parks and beaches, they're not currently enforcing there either right?  I guess that would explain why they haven't changed the https://www.oneoahu.org/sensitive-places web page yet.


Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 29, 2024, 12:13:07 PM
Hawaii responded to the petition.

To sum it up, until a decision to be heard en banc (full 9th judge panel), the current 9th (3 judge panel) ruling isn't in effect yet.

Which means the automatic ban on private property open to the public is still not enforceable by the law. So u can carry without having to ask permission.  The 9th's 3 judge panel ruled that you cannot, but haven't signed the order yet due to the above.

Some people already knew this, but the AG"s office refused to confirm it. Had the 9th's ruling been in effect, I'm sure the AG's office would have stated so, but instead stated something like "we cannot confirm anything".

To sum it up again, it's a procedural matter right now why you can still carry on private property open to the public without needing permission.
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Legal and Activism / Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« on: September 14, 2024, 03:10:01 PM »
I see that the C&C www.oneoahu.org/sensitive-places page hasn't been updated to reflect the recent circuit court decision.  The HPD page links to it, and when I applied for CCW they verbally told me to watch that page for any changes in the law.  I guess it doesn't mean anything, but you'd think they would make an effort to keep the page updated.
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Legal and Activism / Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« on: September 08, 2024, 03:30:06 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on September 07, 2024, 04:42:51 PM
The corrupt 9th ruled that cancelled the injuction for all except for banks.

So as of now, u can carry at a bank.

All other places are banned and u need permission on private property now.

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

Infuriating.  Is there any recourse or is that the end of the road?

And I wonder what their definition of "beach" is.  Is a rocky coastline considered a beach?
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Strategies and Tactics / Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« on: August 30, 2024, 05:22:01 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on August 26, 2024, 08:24:24 AM
The older sounding lady that usually answers the phone is very nice and knows her stuff.  She isn't a police officer, but works for HPD.  I've talked to her many times over the years and always got answers to my questions.  But I've never seen her working either counter.  So I think she's in the back.

Yeah that sounds like who I got.  She did her best to be helpful.  And in the end it worked out okay.  I actually haven't had a bad experience with any of the guys at the window either.
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Strategies and Tactics / Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« on: August 21, 2024, 06:45:56 PM »
Quote from: kopjecat on August 15, 2024, 08:38:58 PM
Hi, new to the group.  Just thought I would post my experience so far about the CCW waiting period.  I'm at day 104 and no letter yet.  I called HPD to inquire after I passed 90 days.  After going through numerous menus & recorded instructions, I got to a nice woman who tried to be helpful, but she essentially reminded me that they have 120 days.  I asked her about the automatic denial if you're not approved within 120 days, and I had the impression she hadn't heard about that.  She said they do not do it like that.  She said no one is automatically denied just because they don't get the letter from them.  She suggested I call back closer to 120 days if I still haven't heard anything.

So we'll see.  I think they're just overwhelmed.

I received my approval letter today, day 110.  I hope this helps anyone else who might be stressing a little becase their letter didn't come as soon as others may have said.  I think they're just really busy getting through all the applications, and they do seem to be using most of the 120 days.
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Strategies and Tactics / Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« on: August 15, 2024, 08:38:58 PM »
Hi, new to the group.  Just thought I would post my experience so far about the CCW waiting period.  I'm at day 104 and no letter yet.  I called HPD to inquire after I passed 90 days.  After going through numerous menus & recorded instructions, I got to a nice woman who tried to be helpful, but she essentially reminded me that they have 120 days.  I asked her about the automatic denial if you're not approved within 120 days, and I had the impression she hadn't heard about that.  She said they do not do it like that.  She said no one is automatically denied just because they don't get the letter from them.  She suggested I call back closer to 120 days if I still haven't heard anything.

So we'll see.  I think they're just overwhelmed.
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