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HiCarry,

I have some experience working with the legislature.  I guess that colors my opinion.  Have you ever heard of Minnie Fukuda?
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Right, it gets introduced & killed in committee.  The committee decisions are made long before the public 'hearing' and vote (read dog & pony show). 

Fundamentally, it comes down to this: a choice between freedom & slavery.
Hawaii has a long history of slavery, in the form of the old Ali'i system that the state government is founded on.  Hawaii likes to think of itself as democratic, but let's face it, we have the least number of elected officials of any state in the union.  We elect the Governor and the Mayor, who appoint everyone else.  These "Ali'i" provide 'security' and 'welfare' for us commoners, as long as we give up our freedom.  Slaves may not bear arms.  There are lots & lots of people here who wish to be told what to do, every day by their 'leaders', bosses, etc and have a serious case of "don't be the nail sticking out" syndrome. 

we need to become that nail, if we are to succeed.  Just like the civil rights movement, it takes time & money.  Freedom in Hawaii, I think, will not be 'bought' in the legislature.  That would mean allowing us to be truly free, which threatens the system.  The courthouse, is IMO, the only place we can win this contest.  The law is the constitutional or not, regardless of what the legislature wants it to be.   

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I think we're asking the wrong questions of the police departments.  They say they "haven't approved any requests" for carry permits.  Maybe true, but the real questions, IMO, are:

"How many current license holders are there, and what are their names?"  "How many licenses were renewed, and what are the names of the licensees." 

Notice the wording of the Police Chief's response: "To the best of our knowledge, our department has not granted any request to carry a concealed firearm, and has no intent on granting future request without meeting the requirements of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, Chapter 134-9"

The "without meeting the requirements of the Hawaii Revised Statutes" is the key part of this phrase.  It invalidates every thing that comes before it, meaning that he may have issued permits to people the DO meet the requirements of HRS.  it also opens the possibility that the Chief issued a license without a formal 'request'. 

According to all the 'answers' here from the Chief's, there are' ZERO' persons, (other than armed guards and LEO's) licensed to carry firearms here in Hawaii.  I find that hard to believe.
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Legal and Activism / Strategies for Concealed Carry Permits in Hawaii
« on: June 28, 2010, 09:29:40 AM »
I've read the wording of HRS §134-9  Licenses to carry[/b][/font]  about concealed permits: "in exceptional circumstances" "when one has reason to fear for life or property" "May issue, for one year" and I have a few questions.
Are there any attorneys on this board?  Has there ever been a challenge to this law?  Has anyone successfully filed a "Sunshine Law" request for a list of all permit holders in Hawaii? 


That seems the logical approach to changing Hawaii from 'may issue' to 'shall issue'.  I'd bet that the list of permit holders is littered with blatant corruption (Friends with the Chief? Permit! Politically connected?  Permit!  Big donor?  Permit!)
If one could demonstrate that the permits are issued without 'exceptional' need to friends, etc, then one could challenge the law as being unequally applied and is disenfranchising the public.


Another way would be sue that the current 'may issue' system is an unconstitutional infringement of the 2A right to 'bear' arms.  Hawaii law allows you to 'keep' arms, but 'bearing' them (unless you're one of the Ali'i) is a Class A felony.


Thoughts?  Comments?
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What to do? 
Show up at the committee meetings for the bill and testify in support. 
Cannot?  Submit written testimony in support of the bill & get friends to do the same. 
Call the representatives who are hearing the bill & tell them you support it.

Best thing to do is form a coalition of shooting groups/2A supporters in Hawaii and testify together in support.  Coalitions get more attention from legislators than individuals because they have broad support of membership.

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Legal and Activism / Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« on: August 07, 2009, 04:14:08 PM »
I read this article, written by Massad Ayoob, with interest and a little disgust.  Here's a link to the article:
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/exclusives/concealed-carry-laws-state-by-state/

Here's the part that got me all huhu:
"May-issue systems lend themselves to the sort of decisions for which the legal system coined the term “arbitrary and capricious.” In Hawaii, for instance, while technically it’s possible to get a carry permit, it just isn’t possible in real world practice. I am aware of three having been issued there to private citizens during my adult lifetime. One went to the civilian armorer who serviced the Honolulu Police Department’s duty weapons. Another was held by the Governor, who got it when he was Lieutenant Governor. The third didn’t last long, a Honolulu Police Chief issued it to his sister-in-law, but had to take it back when the newspapers got wind of the story. On the other hand, I hear that a few hundred carry permits have been issued in the last few years to security guards in Hawaii."

Do you think we'll see concealed carry here in Hawaii in our life times?
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General Discussion / Re: New Member? Introduce yourself here!
« on: August 07, 2009, 05:34:36 AM »
Eh, Howzit 2AHI members. I'm Chris from Honolulu. I'd like to see concealed carry become legal in Hawaii for everybody, not just Chief Correa, his sister, his dry cleaner, ect.

Aloha!
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