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According to the legislative calendar, it sounds like the bill would need to be at the final committee by tomorrow but it wasn’t scheduled in the first committee as of today. I’m not sure how many committees are involved in the House.

MAR 21  SECOND LATERAL FILING (BILLS) – Filing Deadline for Second Lateral Bills.
MAR 22  SECOND LATERAL (BILLS) – All bills with multiple referrals must move to their final referral committee in the non-originating chamber by this date.

Since this only has one committee, is that considered the final committee? If so, does that mean they have until tomorrow to schedule it or else it's dead?
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They murdered millions with vaccines and ventilators, imported 10 million illegals, stole multiple elections, spent us into a stagflationary death spiral, drove the children insane, locked up their political opponents, let out all the criminals, and now they want to take our guns away on the eve of signing a pandemic treaty with the World Health Organization that will strip us of our last bit of sovereignty.

This is your last chance to speak up while you still have 1A. If you want to waste this opportunity on your knees politely servicing their progressive porkswords then be my guest, but don't presume to tell me what to do.

Lmao, where in any of my language am I advocating getting on ones knees? I'm encouraging opposition to this senate bill in a rational fashion.

And let me preface this by saying you're not totally wrong above, but
If you really believe all that you wouldn't be wasting time on a publicly searchable internet forum or trying to use politically correct terminology like "spicy" with regards to how one chooses their language in testimony. Inaction and total disregard for anything close to opsec.

Shit, if you really believed all that then you'd know there are great forces at work right now and that submitting testimony right now is a waste of time and effort.

So it's either all is lost / nearly lost and drastic action is needed, or its as the above poster said perhaps rational and civil outlining of the I'll effects of this bill on us as individual members of these lawmakers community is needed.

I'm not against your passion nor am I in total disagreement of many of your viewpoints but that all needs to be tempered into actually useful testimony.
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You’re not treating this like an existential threat. That means you don’t really understand what’s at stake here.



Except I do believe this is a deep existential threat. I just think that being combative in testimony is counterproductive and that what you're suggesting will actually harm our efforts. In a way, you're not exactly part of the problem but you aren't helping, either.

And please enlighten me as to what specifically is at stake here? I think I have an idea what you're hinting at with your boomer Facebook meme but I'd like for you to articulate it. 
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People have been acting up for years. We call them criminals and there’s more and more of them  every day. Are they stupid for taking risks or are we stupid for trying for surrendering our rights to tyrants?

Where am I saying we need to surrender our rights with regards to submitting testimony?

I'm saying it will do way more harm than good by acting "spicy" or whatever in our testimonies, based on the fact we are in a highly Democrat state where there is a high probability that your average politician/aide will read this testimony and not think "Wow, what a paragon of liberty this person is!," but will instead default to "Wow this testimony is talking about lockdowns, vaccines, etc it must be a typical paranoid, racist, tinfoil hat gun owner the media is always depicting!" No, there's no guarantee calm testimony will work but it's got a higher probability than ranting and raving.

Yes it is beyond bullshit that we need to make nice nice with our tone in testimonies, but it's kind of the hand we have been dealt with being a minority voting block in one of the deepest blue states in the nation. It's critical to be as respectful and measured in our testimony despite many of these people not being worthy of it.
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If their power base was certain then they wouldn’t need mail in voting fraud or millions of illegal immigrants.

Lots of stuff gives politicians anxiety. Mostly that we will figure out that their power only comes from the consent of the governed. The mob is fickle and can turn on them in a second. If you’re nice and polite but they have radical Marxists screaming in their ear about dead kids then they will lean harder on the side that won’t make as much of a fuss.


What happens if there budget gets wiped out by a market crash and we start to furlough cops? What if a terrorist attack overwhelms them? What if they all come down with turbo cancer? What if a big storm or tsunami cuts off supplies and the gangsters start going house to house?

The old “please mr politician leave my rights alone” doesn’t work. That’s how they got this far already. Use your imagination and figure out something inspiring. Drop some truth bombs about stolen elections, lockdowns, poison vaccines, wars, sabotage, etc.

The other side never holds back. That’s why they keep kicking our ass.

So your plan is to get as crazy and stupid as their Marxists? You know those same loud idiots theyve tied themselves to are starting to cause their party problems in national opinions regarding the border and the Israel-Palestine conflict, right?

Your average Hawaii congressman that may be on the fence about this, that may hypothetically find their way onto one of these committees, is going to take a dim view of someone ranting and raving about lockdowns, poison vaccines, mob rule, etc in testimony regarding this bill.

You're right, in a way. Scared politicians are useful to the anti 2A crowd, and your plan to get "spicy" in testimony to people we are trying to sway their opinions is sure as hell more likely to make a potential on the fence vote lean more to the anti-2A types that love it when the caricature of a "threatening crazy gun nut" pops up to add credence to their lies.

You act like we're not currently behind enemy lines right now. There's an uphill fight ahead of us because most of these people voting on this bill are Democrats and getting "spicy" is counterproductive.

Rational, reasonable and well planned testimony is going to win it for us. Maybe if the local GOP gets its act together and starts putting more Rs in seats will we be able to have the luxury of getting "spicy" with testimony.
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2) If I went with Aug, I need all new mags as it doesn't accept Pmags.

3) The price of bullpups are often double what you can get a basic AR for. 


As an AUGsexual I'm honor bound to address these two points

2. AUG NATO stock takes AR mags and they make AUG specific PMAGs so no need the expensive waffles. Trigger isn't as crisp as the standard but Steyr themselves sells spring kits that improve it.

3. AUGs are twice as cool as a standard AR so that tracks they're twice as expensive. I got mine online for about 1300 just gotta watch out for deals. But yes don't buy it if you don't have an AR already kitted out.
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Still get another shot in the House. Can turn up the spice too. Stay legal of course, but they have to know the consequences are going to be worse than if they let down Soros

Scared politicians are useful politicians

What consequences?

That they'll be voted out and lose access to the gravy train? Cause that's truly all they care about and based off the political makeup of this state's voters I'm sure these politicians aren't going to be concerned with someone from our side of the aisle as a political minority fuming in their testimony.

There's nothing wrong with calmly expressing how this legislation negatively affects you but being "spicy" or "heated" or whatever slang there is out there for just "being mad" isn't productive.

You're not wrong in that these politicians need to be reminded who their real bosses are but the reality right now is they have a reliable voting block of sheep that will keep them employed no matter what.
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Other options:


Bill passes and you have to turn in all your 30rd rifle mags to HPD with no compensation.

Bill passes and you have to spend $15 per mag to reduce them to 20rds via the Magpul -10rd adapter. Then epoxy the base so it's not "readily restorable".  I know a lot of guys with 100+mags. So that's $1500 at min they would have to spend.

Bill passes and you disassemble all magazines as you now have parts kits and hope lawsuits delete this bill/law.

Bill passes and you have to use other means to block the mags that might be cheaper than $15 per mag.  But it still cost you money and time.


 And since you will be a criminal with the stroke of Comrade Greens pen, you have to do all of this before he signs the bill into law.  And if he chooses not to, then you just wasted money.  Will HPD grant you amnesty for turning in all your mags?

So what, would you recommend that nobody should try to buy a gun right now? Because that was the question of the poster I was replying to.
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Probably off topic, but do you think it’s not a good time to buy any firearm right now? Since this bill is just like being forced passed even with all our testimonies to our senates.

The way I see it,

1. Bill dies and you get to keep your cool shit

2. Bill passes with grandfather clause, still get to keep it and hopefully leave this shitty state later

3. Bill passes with no grandfather and you gotta modify it, well it's shitty but you still got it and can move away to a free state later

4. Bill passes and you gotta turn it in, if you can't send it to a buddy in a free state to hold it, screw it at least you HAD it

I see no reason to not get what you want now
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General Discussion / Re: Lt Gov. Green called us out
« on: October 12, 2022, 07:18:34 PM »
He doesnt have good lawyers. What he has is unlimited bankroll (tax funded).

If that was all what aiona said, more proof he is no friend of the 2a.

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

Aiona has always been a milquetoast politician that is dragged out during any sort of major election as the token republican opponent.
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General Discussion / Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« on: October 12, 2022, 07:10:15 PM »
I'm simply pointing out that someone acting on their principles and values is not an opportunist -- by definition.

Fair. I should not have characterized her as an opportunist.

At the same time, sounds like her principles and values are contrary to the 2A.

So then why bother celebrating her leaving the Democratic party? Why bother opining if she is pro-2A?

I'd trust some anti gun progressive from deep blue NYC to tell me that he hates me than some "former Democrat" like Tulsi Gabbard making grand statements about how she's leaving the Democrats for any reason other than that it promotes her brand.

Let's not also remember that being a "maverick" in terms of political parties is an attractive storyline that the MSM on both sides loves to gobble up. You can thank the late king of RINOs John McCain for that. The fool spawned people like Tulsi and Liz Cheney.

So yes, you are right that she's not an opportunist. She's just an attention ho`
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General Discussion / Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« on: October 12, 2022, 06:52:48 PM »


So, is she an opportunist, or do her principles just conflict with the 2A community and the implementation of certain rights?


So you've characterized her as either an opportunist or someone who's principles are against the implementation of rights that will protect or advance the 2nd Ammendment.

In the same way anyone on the right would scorn some turncoat like Liz Cheney, why would anyone on the right welcome someone like Tulsi who is cut from the same cloth?
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General Discussion / Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« on: October 12, 2022, 05:35:37 PM »
She's the Democrat Party's version of Liz Cheney. Opportunistic sell outs who should never be welcomed with any opened arms by anyone.
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General Discussion / Re: New Member? Introduce yourself here!
« on: April 12, 2013, 09:44:53 PM »
Of course I don't look for the sticky to find the New Member Intros.

What up, guys. Newbie here hoping to get a finger on the pulse of the Hawaii firearms community.
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dry fire, dry fire and keep dry firing.  Buy some snap caps and get to know your firearm and get a feel for the trigger.  There are a lot of videos and stuff out there too.  Dont remember all the sites off the top of my head.  Good thread though.  This will be a good review for me too.  Everyone can learn from this thread.

Really appreciate the prompt and honest response, sir. Just a hypothetical; apart from the feeling for the trigger, what else am I hoping to accomplish with the numerous dry firing drills? I understand that speed and accuracy are a huge part of the process. I'm alright with being an accurate shooter, just not under duress and not when speed comes into the equation. I'll keep with my dry fire drills to get a feel for how the trigger breaks and resets, but I just have a problem with fast acquisition and firing.
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Hey, guys. New poster on the 2A Forums. If the title is a little confusing, I've been a shooter for 12 years, but my experience is mostly related to target shooting, whether it be 7 Mag at the Rifle Side or the .22 Silhouette Side. I've noticed that there is a general consensus that the tendencies that you pick up from target shooting, while having some fundamentally positive impacts on your ability as a shooter in general, can sort of "pigeon hole" you into being unable or rather unequipped for 3 gun competition or a home defense scenario.

Long story short, I've mostly practiced with target pistols or rifles and have just bought myself a Sig P226 for more home defense scenarios. I was just curious if there are any sort of drills any of you guys would recommend to me for this purpose.

Thanks in advance, and sorry if this seems a little "newbie"ish for you guys.
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