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Legal and Activism / Re: Win in Baker
« on: March 25, 2014, 04:40:22 PM »
Well if Q, new guy,  and the Admins want nobody else to post their thoughts on the 2nd Amendment cases percolating in the court systems that is fine with me.

"New guy" and "Q" show a proclivity towards personal attacks on me ever since they claimed that it was illegal to carry a knife and I disputed that assertion proving they were totally incorrect. Telling members they can't do something that is perfectly legal was just plain stupid.

Go Ahead and slag me all day and night if you want, this is the internet so if net rage is your thing, I am immune & could care less. I will not return insults.

Have a nice day all.   GOODBYE   GOOD LUCK   :shaka:
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Legal and Activism / Re: Should folks apply for a permit now?
« on: March 25, 2014, 07:01:58 AM »
Quote from: Funtimes on March 25, 2014, 05:39:27 AM
We had problems with them on this before in that they wouldn't release a copy of the form.  Please let me know if this is the case for you.

Why not post the carry forms on this website. The 2ahawaii admin can sticky them so anyone can get the forms
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Legal and Activism / Re: Should folks apply for a permit now?
« on: March 24, 2014, 06:24:32 PM »
The 9th Court itself  Cites Peruta in Baker and Richards. Peruta is also cited in the Drake appeal supplement brief SCOTUS Certiorari.

IF EVERYBODY ELSE AND HIS BROTHER CITES PERUTA WHY CAN'T WE? :popcorn:

http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/drake_supplemental_FILED.pdf
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Legal and Activism / Re: Win in Baker
« on: March 24, 2014, 06:10:07 PM »
Quote from: Funtimes on March 24, 2014, 06:04:50 PM
The specific form they provide really has nothing to do with that, it doesn't look too much different than the permit to acquire paperwork.

Actually it does differ. Asked for what job requires you to carry a firearm, signature of Employer from that company etc.

http://www.konaguns.com/uploads/1/7/5/3/17531595/license_to_carry_application.pdf
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Legal and Activism / Re: Should folks apply for a permit now?
« on: March 24, 2014, 06:05:35 PM »
Request A form for CCW then take whatever they give you and you can make your claim that the form itself is unconstitutional and cite whichever precedent cases you can.

Re: Drake, and that ties into the above point, Peruta was already cited in Drake, in spite of pending En Banc filings. Since Peruta was already cited in the DRAKE SCOTUS appeal, so if they can cite it why can't anybody else in other 2nd amendment cases?
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Legal and Activism / Re: Should folks apply for a permit now?
« on: March 24, 2014, 03:19:09 PM »
Quote from: punaperson on March 24, 2014, 03:12:14 PM
waving a copy of the Baker "vacate and remand" decision wouldn't likely impress or influence anyone in the county police departments to issue anyone a CCW license, nor would their denial of such a license request seem to be unlawful because the law is now the same as it has been, and will continue to be until either the District Court of Hawaii issues a new ruling contradicting their previous ruling, or Peruta is finalized one way or another and "shall issue" is determined by that ruling to be mandated for all the Ninth Circuit jurisdictions. But, of course, I am not a lawyer... so you can pretty much ignore everything I wrote...  :shaka:

That is why I limited my request to demanding the FORM to apply, not that a permit be issued.

As far as whether or not En Banc review will happen, anyone who claims to know that is just guessing.
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General Discussion / Re: Moving the Gun Range on Big Island
« on: March 24, 2014, 03:02:09 PM »
Big Island is different than Oahu in that there is so much undeveloped vacant land on the Big Island there is no valid excuse not to have a range at all.

Pick a spot, or several spots, for a range already.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Should folks apply for a permit now?
« on: March 24, 2014, 02:53:59 PM »
With regard to permits CCW post Baker, as I have suggested before, limit the request to a CCW FORM that COMPLIES with Peruta, Richards, & Baker.

IF they refuse the first step of providing a form that complies with the law, then legal action is indicated, possibly filing for a writ of mandamus that they provide the form.

Point is to limit the scope of your request to make refusal clearly unconstitutional.

You could wait for Peruta to shake out final appeal filings in the 9th Circuit for a couple weeks.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Win in Baker
« on: March 24, 2014, 02:47:37 PM »
How this thread went from the Baker win to seceding from the USA is beyond me.
Try putting down that Hawaii is not part of the USA on your Tax forms and see what the IRS does to you. :stopjack:

With regard to permits CCW post Baker, as I have suggested before, limit the request for a CCW FORM that COMPLIES with Peruta, Richards, & Baker.

IF they refuse the first step of providing a form that complies with the law, then legal action is indicated, possibly filing for a writ of mandamus that they provide the form.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Win in Baker
« on: March 22, 2014, 11:59:27 AM »
If anyone knowledgeable on the Drake case can give us a review of the SCOTUS appeal and the facts of the case it would be helpful in light of the the Drake appeal citing the Peruta case as a basis to grant appeal to SCOTUS.

http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/drake_supplemental_FILED.pdf
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Legal and Activism / Re: Win in Baker
« on: March 21, 2014, 07:07:19 PM »
My line of reasoning and read of the tea leaves as to the motives of the judges of the 9th Federal Appeals court is that they WANT Peruta to go to SCOTUS because they are certain it will be upheld.
Judges like when their rulings are upheld and hate it when they are overturned on appeal.
So which rulings go to SCOTUS from the judges perspective is different from those of us who just want the deprivation of our 2nd Amendment rights to come to a quick end. The judges are thinking they want their ruling upheld and set nationwide precedent.

The more complications in the case, the more chance that the ruling could be picked apart somehow. you know how judges like to "split the baby".


Side note: I observed that even Solomon needed to have a sword and hence the threat of force so he could threaten to split the baby in half in order that he could determine who the real mother was.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Win in Baker
« on: March 20, 2014, 05:29:37 PM »
I posted the actual BAKER v. KEALOHA courtroom oral argument on my YouTube page so anyone can easily listen to it.
At 35:40 the Gun Control lawyer claims that if victims of crime are allowed to carry a gun then the Criminals will always come with a gun since the know the victims are armed.
The judge jumps on her. "But criminals aren't being issued permits. At least I don't believe they are!"
Peruta, Richards, and now Baker. This calls for a drink! I am going with one shot of Glenlivet. Cheers!
Perhaps someone should start a favorite CCW weapon thread in anticipation of the final ending of the State of Hawaii's past deprivation of the people's 2nd amendment rights, and the affirmation of the people's freedom as  enshrined in the Bill of Rights.

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Legal and Activism / Re: 9th Circuit Victory: Richards v. Prieto
« on: March 20, 2014, 02:34:37 PM »
Quote from: new guy on March 20, 2014, 02:29:03 PM
Holy mother of god... you are irritating.  :wacko:

Never thought I'd have to ask this, but where is the Ignore feature?

 :popcorn:
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Legal and Activism / Re: Win in Baker
« on: March 20, 2014, 02:06:04 PM »
Quote from: wolfwood on March 20, 2014, 01:20:05 PM
george young's appeal is the next step. The government conceded on all issues other than carry so HRS 134 is going to be revised very soon.

A lot of credit goes to both Chris and George for stepping up and pushing for Second Amendment rights in Hawaii

With regard to the Young case, I didn't see any courtroom oral argument on Michella website, just a lot of filings. Is there to be no courtroom argument or was there one not posted or listed?
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Legal and Activism / Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« on: March 20, 2014, 11:50:19 AM »
Having read the Judge Thomas dissent, they have more of a leg to stand on in Baker than they do in Peruta.  :popcorn:
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Legal and Activism / Re: 9th Circuit Victory: Richards v. Prieto
« on: March 20, 2014, 11:43:50 AM »
Quote from: new guy on March 05, 2014, 10:44:43 PM
Your enthusiasm is admirable, but it may be a bit premature.

Only premature by about a week!     :shaka:
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Legal and Activism / Re: Win in Baker
« on: March 20, 2014, 11:08:45 AM »
The court is still divided 2-1 and as Baker comes in a different "position" & "posture" compared to Peruta, a SCOTUS appeal may be forthcoming.

However the FIRST ROUND OF DRINKS IS ON ME!  :thumbsup:
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Legal and Activism / Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« on: March 20, 2014, 11:04:46 AM »
Keep your hats on I would bet an appeal to SCOTUS will be forthcoming, and this comes in a different position than Peruta. It may or may not survive SCOTUS if an appeal comes to pass.

I pray we may apply for CCW at long last in the meantime. I note the court was still divided 2-1 as I surmised.

That said, FIRST ROUND OF DRINKS IS ON ME!  :thumbsup:
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Off Topic / Re: I'm sure Russia is scared,especially with our military being smaller then in WW2
« on: March 19, 2014, 07:46:03 PM »
There are some states in the USA I would advise the Russian Army not to invade. The citizens have so many guns the Russian Army would get it's butt kicked.  :thumbsup:
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Legal and Activism / Re: 9th Circuit Victory: Richards v. Prieto
« on: March 19, 2014, 07:40:08 PM »
Two filings in Peruta yesterday re the Brady En Banc filing. No standing & too time intensive for 12 judge En Banc panel. Peruta not done yet. The judges may WANT to let CA AG go to SCOTUS because they think she will lose and their ruling stand up. However they can't just do that if there is no standing to file belatedly after the fact. Peruta has to wrap up before Baker shakes out I would think. :popcorn:

Also the lawyers filed for extra time to file their legal fees with the court due the possible extension of the trial.
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