http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20110103_Former_athlete_dies_in_Kaneohe_shooting.html#

Thank god law-abiding citizens are denied self-defense and are instead armed with the ability to call HPD and advised to do so during an emergency. It sure works great! Thanks Chief!

I think they were arguing at a bar; incidents like this are such a tragedy. I wonder if the guy who shot had registered his firearm though.

We definitely don't have all of the details as to what actually happened. Does the suspect have any priors? What type of gun was it? Did it belong to him? Did the suspect go home to get his gun and then bring it to the victim's residence and confront him? Did he already have it with him and followed the victim home? What was the argument about that made the suspect want to shoot the victim?

Not that any of that really matters. Unfortunately, I think this is going to be a devastating blow to carry here in Hawaii. Not that we were going to win the legislative battle anyways, but this just adds more fuel to the anti's "devastation" and "blood in the streets" fire.

My prayers go out to Joel's family and friends. 

- Alex

Yeah according to the article, the argument started at the bar, and ended up in front of Joel's parents house where he was shot. The only thing that is for sure is that the killer had a gun, and it happened outside.

It's very unfortunate =O(

A block away from my family, the gun shots actually woke me up. My brother in law said he was woken up prior to by two women arguing, followed by a bunch of guys arguing.  Sounds like it just got way out of hand after that...

From what I've been hearing, Joel and his brother headed home from the bar, they were followed by the suspect (whom they knew). So seems like the guy was looking for more trouble after the bar had closed down.