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BLKDRGN

Moving the Gun Range on Big Island
« on: March 22, 2014, 08:12:53 AM »
« Last Edit: March 22, 2014, 02:15:51 PM by 2aHawaii »
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Haoleb

Re: Moving the Gun Range on Big Island
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2014, 09:02:30 AM »
This is just silly... Where they want to put the range there is not a damned thing out there. The hotels are so far away the chances of hearing sound pollution are pretty slim. The hilton doesn't seem to complain about the huge landfill with heavy machinery operating daily... Or the wastewater treatment plant directly across the highway. But got forbid a shooting range.  ::) Honestly its so windy out there on a regular basis. not to mention being in the middle of a lava field that moving it somewhere else would not be a bad idea. I think they should relocate it somewhere at a little higher elevation or allow public use of land at the pohakuloa base since I am sure there is a ton of space suitable out there and it would be somewhat equal distance for hilo and kona folks. Just look on google maps of that area. Tons of spots that could be used and there is already munitions training anyway.
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Walena

Re: Moving the Gun Range on Big Island
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2014, 03:36:24 PM »
Lived just north of that resort area for a number of years. I personally don't think that noise is the issue. The Blue Hawaiian helipad is a lot closer to the resort entrance than the landfill entrance. I could hear cars, semi  trucks, and motorcycles passing by on Queen K Hwy. Then there's the live fire training going on up at PTA. The thunder can last for hours day or night. Same thing happened in Kona some 20 years ago when there was a proposed motorsports park that was going to be built near the airport. Someone even brought a race car over to test noise level. Was about the same as the jets taking off. Still, Kona never got their drag strip.
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ren

Re: Moving the Gun Range on Big Island
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2014, 11:00:52 PM »
Seems like the Hilton is flexing their muscle - political and commercial.
If a range is so dangerous perhaps they should move the Hilton Hawaiian Village away from crime infested Waikiki? There's a better chance of their guests being robbed, scammed etc. in Waikiki than a round from a professionally, designed and controlled environment such as a range.
They tried to use the argument that "ricochets or errant rounds" from Kokohead to prove their point. Well, it is a moot point as the investigation is not closed yet and there is no final determination that the rounds originated from the range at Kokohead. I hope someone on the BI calls them out on that BS. :grrr:
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Hawaii Volcano Squad

Re: Moving the Gun Range on Big Island
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2014, 03:02:09 PM »
Big Island is different than Oahu in that there is so much undeveloped vacant land on the Big Island there is no valid excuse not to have a range at all.

Pick a spot, or several spots, for a range already.
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Walena

Re: Moving the Gun Range on Big Island
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2014, 05:01:50 PM »
Quote from: ren on March 22, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Seems like the Hilton is flexing their muscle - political and commercial.
If a range is so dangerous perhaps they should move the Hilton Hawaiian Village away from crime infested Waikiki? There's a better chance of their guests being robbed, scammed etc. in Waikiki than a round from a professionally, designed and controlled environment such as a range.
They tried to use the argument that "ricochets or errant rounds" from Kokohead to prove their point. Well, it is a moot point as the investigation is not closed yet and there is no final determination that the rounds originated from the range at Kokohead. I hope someone on the BI calls them out on that BS. :grrr:
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It's not just the Hilton. There may be a couple of hundred privately owned condos, a couple of shopping centers, and a golf course on property. Most of whom are opposing the range from what I heard. I think that it's too late for them to voice. Since they had a hearing,people were given a chance to say something.
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Walena

Re: Moving the Gun Range on Big Island
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2014, 05:13:50 PM »
Quote from: Hawaii Volcano Squad on March 24, 2014, 03:02:09 PM
Big Island is different than Oahu in that there is so much undeveloped vacant land on the Big Island there is no valid excuse not to have a range at all.

Pick a spot, or several spots, for a range already.


Not easy as you think. Much of that undeveloped land belongs to the State. The planning for this range has gone on for well over a decade. It had to go through DLNR for the land to be released. Now, just think how much longer it would take for another range to be built if the State pulls out of this deal. The process is slow, but I think it's going to work. I missed out. Before I moved away, I lived only 15 minutes from there.
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