Heard an interview about this this morning on NPR but couldn't find a link to that specific interview but it was a very interesting way of using an incentive to prevent women on drugs to keep having drug babies they drop off onto society. Raises some moral questions but it sounds like a program that has done a lot of good and is one liberals (some) and conservatives can both get behind. Pay women who are drug addicts and voluntarily get sterilized so that they won't have babies who are born addicted to drugs and suffering all the related problems.

Here is an interview from a different source.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/project-prevention-compulsory-sterilization

oh man....
So a TNR program for humans.

soon we will find ourselves...

Heard an interview about this this morning on NPR but couldn't find a link to that specific interview but it was a very interesting way of using an incentive to prevent women on drugs to keep having drug babies they drop off onto society. Raises some moral questions but it sounds like a program that has done a lot of good and is one liberals (some) and conservatives can both get behind. Pay women who are drug addicts and voluntarily get sterilized so that they won't have babies who are born addicted to drugs and suffering all the related problems.

Here is an interview from a different source.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/project-prevention-compulsory-sterilization

This was done before.   We used to do the same thing to people afflicted with incurable diseases.......like Down's syndrome, or people committed to mental institutions.    There are no moral questions because as decent human beings we should have enough sense to know this is not right.   

This was done before.   We used to do the same thing to people afflicted with incurable diseases.......like Down's syndrome, or people committed to mental institutions.    There are no moral questions because as decent human beings we should have enough sense to know this is not right.

It was done before?   I vote it be brought back.   Those people don't need to reproduce lol.   As decent human beings we should know not to volunteeringly bring suffering into this world.  Natural selection is good. 

I'm in.  I'd chip in to make sure you don't reproduce with anyone!   

How does this "solution" reconcile with abortion?  The argument about abortion is gov't should not be in the woman's reproductive decisions.  Is this not the exact opposite -- gov't intervening in reproduction decisions?

Put on your Constitutional Scholar hat and explain why gov't is allowed to do this when women have a right to privacy in such matters.

Government ain't forcing anyone.  They are simply paying for you to do it.  Think of it as a life time job. Abortion is great too and the government ins't really paying for that either its up to the person to decide if they want to.   I have no idea why people are against abortion.  It limits poverty and many other issues.  Teens having kids early ruins most of their lives.  Families in poverty with 5 kids and who happen to get 5 more just sucks the life out of welfare.  Republicans should be embracing it.  It lowers welfare and gives FREEDOM to people to have choices. 

It was done before?   I vote it be brought back.   Those people don't need to reproduce lol.   As decent human beings we should know not to volunteeringly bring suffering into this world.  Natural selection is good.

Exact same thinking the nazis had on their road too pure race

Sterilizing drug addicted mothers isn't a solution.  If you believe it is then we should by the same token steroLe the men who get these drug mothers pregnant since they're also contributing to the problem.  By sterilizing the mother, you're only treating the symptom and no the root of the problem which is the drug addiction.

Sterilizing drug addicted mothers isn't a solution.  If you believe it is then we should by the same token steroLe the men who get these drug mothers pregnant since they're also contributing to the problem.  By sterilizing the mother, you're only treating the symptom and no the root of the problem which is the drug addiction.

I'm down with both lol

Exact same thinking the nazis had on their road too pure race

Nah this is different it isnt about the white race. 

 

It was done before?   I vote it be brought back.   Those people don't need to reproduce lol.   As decent human beings we should know not to volunteeringly bring suffering into this world.  Natural selection is good.

NATURAL selection is about leaving everyone alone.

No sterilization, no vaccines, nothing.

Also, you are assuming you won't be sterilized because you are not "those" people (yet).

Maybe those who advocate it are precisely the ones that deserve to be sterilized? That sounds logical right?

NATURAL selection is about leaving everyone alone.

No sterilization, no vaccines, nothing.

Also, you are assuming you won't be sterilized because you are not "those" people (yet).

Maybe those who advocate it are precisely the ones that deserve to be sterilized? That sounds logical right?

Another conversation/topic, but natural selection isn't so natural anymore.  Both good and bad.

People trying their hardest to throw away their lives or even outright kill themselves are administered stuff like narcan.  I'm not saying just let everyone go, but some people are still alive due to medical interventions, medical advances, etc when they seemingly aren't wanted.  Reminds me of the scene from Lean On Me where Morgan Freeman take that kid who is taking drugs up to the roof and tells him if he wants to kill himself to "do it expeditiously". 

Also another topic is those videos of people "playing stupid games, winning stupid prizes".  Now those are some examples of natural selection. 

NATURAL selection is about leaving everyone alone.

No sterilization, no vaccines, nothing.

Also, you are assuming you won't be sterilized because you are not "those" people (yet).

Maybe those who advocate it are precisely the ones that deserve to be sterilized? That sounds logical right?

In a "perfect" world maybe.   We have welfare and food drives and many services that anyone can survive now.  I play by the rules.  If I end up addicted to ice or something sure you can take away my reproductive rights.  All I'm trying to say the world would be better off if some people didn't breed.  There are many reasons not to reproduce.  What I would actually suggest instead of permanent sterilization do something reversible like vasectomy etc. IF you prove that you are no longer an addict or solved your issues you can reproduce again. 

FYI I have no kids because I know that in my financial situation I would not be able to raise them properly, its common sense to only have kids if you can raise them properly. 

It's easy to dehumanize people.

That's my main poInt.

Oh the problem is just too overwhelming. Just murder them all. But don't use the word murder.

This is not a new thing. Just seems new.

We need to solve the problems directly.

I think many of you are misunderstanding this program. Payments to these women are being made by a private organization. The founder initially paid out of her own pocket and then when it became more well known she started receiving donations. So this isn't forced and it isn't government.

The founder adopted 4 or 5 kids from the same drug addict mother, one after another till she was sick and tired of this drug addict mother keep producing drugs with health issues due to the drug use during pregnancy. There are absolutely ethical questions raised by this but I wouldn't compare it to forced sterilization. This woman was trying to make her own dent in the world with one solution to a problem with no perfect solution.

I think that the men who get these drug addicted mom's pregnant should also be sterilized since they're 1/2 of the problem. 

duterte rehab program.

I think that the men who get these drug addicted mom's pregnant should also be sterilized since they're 1/2 of the problem.

A fair assessment but I don't think it would have much of a dent. It only takes a few men to impregnate a large population of women.