NOT FOUND ON FAKE NEWS (anywhere) (Read 18320 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: NOT FOUND ON FAKE NEWS (anywhere)
« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2017, 02:52:18 PM »
If I accept the numbers of that particular study, which are gross estimates according to the document itself, then yes the illegal aliens cost Maryland taxpayers $1.4 billion. That same document also states, buried at the end, that they estimate the illegal aliens pay $200 million in taxes back. (They throw in multiple factors of 2 to make the numbers come out how they want. I think the illegal aliens pay at least $400 million according to their data). They state that yields a net cost of $1.2 billion, but also give their opinion that none of the taxes the illegal aliens pay should count for anything. I don't agree with that opinion.

Paying even $200 million in taxes back is arguably enough. It's an opinion (not necessarily mine). Because any poor person in America, whether a citizen or illegal alien, would fall into the same category of being a "burden to society."

Having said all that, note that I may agree with you in the end. I am not criticizing anyone's tough views on immigration policy as a whole, only the rationale on display regarding this school story. If the illegal aliens can be deported more effectively, by all means go for it. I do however think that if they are not deported, while they are in this country they should be allowed to go to school, especially because they do pay taxes.

You stated several things you don't agree with, so where is your evidence?  You can't demand evidence then argue with nothing but personal opinion.

Your math escapes me.  How is a cost of $1.2 B being offset by less than $1.2 B "enough"?  Are we benefiting from illegals taking jobs from Americans?  Are we benefiting by illegals stealing our Social Security numbers, driving without insurance and being placed in schools without proper English skills?  Where is the benefit to the nation?

It's not our job to educate and make productive these people who sneak into the country or overstay a visa.  We have limited resources and plenty of citizens that can use them.  Taking away from others to help those we have no legal obligation to help simply provides less to everyone.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

PeaShooter

Re: NOT FOUND ON FAKE NEWS (anywhere)
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2017, 03:08:50 PM »
Unfortunately math and numbers don't prove everything. They can only provide a calculation, but the results still have to be interpreted according to personal opinion one way or the other, especially on "social" topics like this one.

Is paying less taxes than you personally use up a problem? If so then we might have a problem with the majority of our society, citizens included. This is an issue of opinion and numbers alone don't provide the answer.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: NOT FOUND ON FAKE NEWS (anywhere)
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2017, 03:35:46 PM »
Unfortunately math and numbers don't prove everything. They can only provide a calculation, but the results still have to be interpreted according to personal opinion one way or the other, especially on "social" topics like this one.

Is paying less taxes than you personally use up a problem? If so then we might have a problem with the majority of our society, citizens included. This is an issue of opinion and numbers alone don't provide the answer.

.... this, from the guy who started out arguing that illegals pay "enough" in taxes.

Just admit you were wrong instead of deflecting and saying it proves nothing.

Man up!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: NOT FOUND ON FAKE NEWS (anywhere)
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2017, 04:21:01 PM »
If I accept the numbers of that particular study, which are gross estimates according to the document itself, then yes the illegal aliens cost Maryland taxpayers $1.4 billion. That same document also states, buried at the end, that they estimate the illegal aliens pay $200 million in taxes back. (They throw in multiple factors of 2 to make the numbers come out how they want. I think the illegal aliens pay at least $400 million according to their data). They state that yields a net cost of $1.2 billion, but also give their opinion that none of the taxes the illegal aliens pay should count for anything. I don't agree with that opinion.

Paying even $200 million in taxes back is arguably enough. It's an opinion (not necessarily mine). Because any poor person in America, whether a citizen or illegal alien, would fall into the same category of being a "burden to society."

Having said all that, note that I may agree with you in the end. I am not criticizing anyone's tough views on immigration policy as a whole, only the rationale on display regarding this school story. If the illegal aliens can be deported more effectively, by all means go for it. I do however think that if they are not deported, while they are in this country they should be allowed to go to school, especially because they do pay taxes.

OK. You provided numbers and math...

then ...

Unfortunately math and numbers don't prove everything. They can only provide a calculation, but the results still have to be interpreted according to personal opinion one way or the other, especially on "social" topics like this one.

Is paying less taxes than you personally use up a problem? If so then we might have a problem with the majority of our society, citizens included. This is an issue of opinion and numbers alone don't provide the answer.


WTF?! :wacko:
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whynow?

Re: NOT FOUND ON FAKE NEWS (anywhere)
« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2017, 09:19:48 PM »
Here's another story not on fake news at least our local fake outlet.


Inspector

Re: NOT FOUND ON FAKE NEWS (anywhere)
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2017, 05:48:29 AM »
Taken for Pizza Gate sacrifices if you ask me....
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

whynow?

Re: NOT FOUND ON FAKE NEWS (anywhere)
« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2017, 09:29:33 PM »
Taken for Pizza Gate sacrifices if you ask me....
Or maybe rise in gang activity due to nearby existing or wannabe sanctuary cities/counties coddling illegal alien kids, dreamers etc.

http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/dc/possible-ms-13-gang-activity-in-dc-police-say/313328903

We all know that liberal communities don't like to blame the criminal but blame an inanimate object for crime.   It's like liberals under Obama creating millions of entry level service jobs since they couldn't create high paying technical, or trade jobs and then crying for $15 minimum wage like it's a right.