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ren

if S Koreans don't want THAAD
« on: April 30, 2017, 09:39:14 PM »
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RSN172

Re: if S Koreans don't want THAAD
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2017, 08:59:41 AM »
The US and more so the S Koreans, should never have let it get this far.  The minute NK started to set up missiles aimed at Seoul, the POTUS should have taken steps to either have them removed by NK or the US would do it for them.  At this point, if not settled diplomatically, several million will die even if the war lasted only a day.  NK has hundreds of short range missiles aimed at Seoul only 30 miles away and there is no way anyone could stop all of them from hitting their targets.
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drck1000

Re: if S Koreans don't want THAAD
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2017, 09:21:48 AM »
Not sure what the current agreements are for US forces in Korea, but I wouldn't think a new president could single handedly stop or have THAAD removed from S Korea.  Or at least right away.  That is assuming that THAAD is installed on US military installations there. 

I also wonder many times on reports of protests and if they are actually the very small minority.  Take for instance those in Okinawa who want the US forces out.  Yes, no doubt there are Okinawans who want ALL US forces out of Okinawa.  That is for many reasons, including Okinawa feeling treated like a bastard step-child.  That said, it is my understanding that many Okinawans quietly or even openly embrace the US being there.  There are thousands of Okinawans employed by the US and it also brings money into the economy.  I haven't been there since around 2012, but that was when the pressure to get US forces out of Okinawa was very high.  Now that things are in motion to relocate a lot of them off Okinawa, it seems like that has died down.  It will still be a while before the bulk of the forces are relocated, but will see how the mood changes once the money flow into the local economy goes way down. 
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omnigun

Re: if S Koreans don't want THAAD
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2017, 10:05:29 AM »
China doesnt like the system.  China tourists and money flow into korea and because of the system they are slowing down or boycotting.  This hurts skorea and now they voicing decent.  Also the village that its now located in don't want it cause imagine your next door neighbors house is suddenly a top rate priority encase of any war.  You probably gonna get bombed and die encase of any outbreak of fighting.   But in the end we and they need the system there to stop nkorea and china.
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drck1000

Re: if S Koreans don't want THAAD
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2017, 10:27:13 AM »
Quote from: omnigun on May 01, 2017, 10:05:29 AM
China doesnt like the system.  China tourists and money flow into korea and because of the system they are slowing down or boycotting.  This hurts skorea and now they voicing decent.  Also the village that its now located in don't want it cause imagine your next door neighbors house is suddenly a top rate priority encase of any war.  You probably gonna get bombed and die encase of any outbreak of fighting.   But in the end we and they need the system there to stop nkorea and china.
So is this DISSENT by S Koreans as a whole country?  Or locally in the area around where THAAD is located?

There are certainly other areas that THAAD can be deployed as well.  However, I also believe the THAAD site in S Korea, closer to N Korea is as much as bark as potential bite.  Same thing with sending the "very powerful" carrier strike group to the area.  There are plenty of other assets in the region that can and would likely be called upon to strike first against N Korea. 

Though I do see your point about the THAAD site being a prime target IN CASE of any war.   :thumbsup:   

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Kuleana

Re: if S Koreans don't want THAAD
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2017, 06:48:26 AM »
Quote from: drck1000 on May 01, 2017, 10:27:13 AM
So is this DISSENT by S Koreans as a whole country?  Or locally in the area around where THAAD is located?

There are certainly other areas that THAAD can be deployed as well.  However, I also believe the THAAD site in S Korea, closer to N Korea is as much as bark as potential bite.  Same thing with sending the "very powerful" carrier strike group to the area.  There are plenty of other assets in the region that can and would likely be called upon to strike first against N Korea. 

Though I do see your point about the THAAD site being a prime target IN CASE of any war.   :thumbsup:   
It is not dissent by some marginal group of South Koreans, but a great many South Koreans in that country.  In essence, many South Koreans including their poll-leading candidate for President, Moon Jae-In, are very critical of US Imperialism on their shores, especially when dealing with the DPRK.

Moreover, they are and should be wary of any military provocations started by the US, whether its the THAAD missile defense system or sending warships to the Korean peninsula, since it would be the South Koreans who would be the ones doing the dying, if war erupts.

Please see http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/south-korea%e2%80%99s-likely-next-president-warns-the-us-not-to-meddle-in-its-democracy/ar-BBADLbO?li=BBnb7Kz for details.
 

Kuleana
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drck1000

Re: if S Koreans don't want THAAD
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2017, 07:41:36 AM »
Quote from: Kuleana on May 02, 2017, 06:48:26 AM
It is not dissent by some marginal group of South Koreans, but a great many South Koreans in that country.  In essence, many South Koreans including their poll-leading candidate for President, Moon Jae-In, are very critical of US Imperialism on their shores, especially when dealing with the DPRK.

Moreover, they are and should be wary of any military provocations started by the US, whether its the THAAD missile defense system or sending warships to the Korean peninsula, since it would be the South Koreans who would be the ones doing the dying, if war erupts.

Please see http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/south-korea%e2%80%99s-likely-next-president-warns-the-us-not-to-meddle-in-its-democracy/ar-BBADLbO?li=BBnb7Kz for details.
 

Kuleana
Yeah, I know about the dissent issue.  I was making light of Omni's "decent" as well as clarifying his information on the dissent.  He mentioned the "village that its now located in".  I had a longer response that I cut short.  Regarding the point about dissent locally vs country as a whole, I was going to relate to Okinawa.  Yes, you'll see on the news what appears to be wide spread national (I will say national as Okinawans feel that way) dissent to US forces being on Okinawa.  That issues goes way deeper than recent stuff involving US personnel raping people, driving drunk, etc.  However, there's also thousands upon thousands who are silently wanting the US forces in Okinawa, many that I have worked with in the past.  Again, it's all being used as a political tool, to get people riled up, where the truth of the matter is probably somewhat more benign.  I was viewing the THAAD issue in the same light.  In the case of Okinawa, I would have to go back and read, but I believe it cost an Okinawan Governor his job and I think even cost someone in the "main" government.  Yeah, there are plans to move thousands of Marines out of Okinawa, but the political angle has died down quite a bit now since the political moves were made.  But guess what, the Marines are still there. . .

Yes, I get the provocations and risks/consequences/etc.  I worked on THAAD (not in S Korea) and am well aware of the issues nearby residents have to the installations, concerns about making them a target, etc.  I am also concerned about provocations in the region.  That's definitely a concern. 
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