All of my guns are "ghost guns."

Someone wants to be a ghost, I'm your huckleberry.   

Protesters have done nothing as far as dismantling their camp and barricades and today is the deadline.  I guess we will see whether or not our Governor has the balls to enforce his deadline.

Protesters have done nothing as far as dismantling their camp and barricades and today is the deadline.  I guess we will see whether or not our Governor has the balls to enforce his deadline.

The news last night said the Kupuna were deciding if they would remove their tents.  They said they don't believe law enforcement will do their job and remove their property today.

That's the entire problem.  When gov't officials are weak and refuse to enforce the laws, the public will devolve into anarchy and ignore the laws.  Without enforcement, the laws don't matter.  Might as well not have laws in the first place.

The news last night said the Kupuna were deciding if they would remove their tents.  They said they don't believe law enforcement will do their job and remove their property today.

That's the entire problem.  When gov't officials are weak and refuse to enforce the laws, the public will devolve into anarchy and ignore the laws.  Without enforcement, the laws don't matter.  Might as well not have laws in the first place.

Population wise this is a small island.  Many cops and county workers here are related in someway
shape or form to the "Kupuna".  The only way to clean it up is send cops from other counties.
Stand down our HPD and send in Oahu HPD,  they are more used to forceful elimination of,
and violating people,  per government orders.
You may also want to charge and try the criminals in Oahu also.
Local judges and prosecutors don't seem to want to follow through.

https://www.kitv.com/story/41544339/kiai-questioned-viewers-send-in-photos-of-what-appears-to-be-trash-on-mauna-kea

too distressed to clean up after themselves...

https://www.kitv.com/story/41544339/kiai-questioned-viewers-send-in-photos-of-what-appears-to-be-trash-on-mauna-kea

that's not malama-ing the aina

Population wise this is a small island.  Many cops and county workers here are related in someway
shape or form to the "Kupuna".  The only way to clean it up is send cops from other counties.
Stand down our HPD and send in Oahu HPD,  they are more used to forceful elimination of,
and violating people,  per government orders.
You may also want to charge and try the criminals in Oahu also.
Local judges and prosecutors don't seem to want to follow through.

I get it.  If local law enforcement does not want to carry out the laws, bring in outsiders.  This logic is sound.

Based on your logic then, Virginia's governor should bring in law enforcement from other areas from Virginia or call out the National Guard to enforce the RIDICULOUS gun laws in those counties that proclaimed themselves as gun sanctuaries, whose local law enforcement refuse to carry out the new gun laws of the state.

Do you agree?

that's not malama-ing the aina

they were oppressed

I get it.  If local law enforcement does not want to carry out the laws, bring in outsiders.  This logic is sound.

Based on your logic then, Virginia's governor should bring in law enforcement from other areas from Virginia or call out the National Guard to enforce the RIDICULOUS gun laws in those counties that proclaimed themselves as gun sanctuaries, whose local law enforcement refuse to carry out the new gun laws of the state.

Do you agree?

Right.  Because illegally blocking the roads to stop a legitimate construction project is exactly the same as refusing to obey NEWLY-PASSED LEGISLATION that unconstitutionally takes away gun rights.

There's a difference between blocking a new telescope after many have already been constructed in the same location, and refusing to follow new laws that infringe on a constitutionally protected civil right.

There's no constitutional right to block public roads just to draw attention to your protests. 

Breaking the law by blocking roads impacts everyone using the road.

Breaking the law by refusing to comply with new gun registration or surrender laws impacts no one.

Right.  Because illegally blocking the roads to stop a legitimate construction project is exactly the same as refusing to obey NEWLY-PASSED LEGISLATION that unconstitutionally takes away gun rights.

There's a difference between blocking a new telescope after many have already been constructed in the same location, and refusing to follow new laws that infringe on a constitutionally protected civil right.

There's no constitutional right to block public roads just to draw attention to your protests. 

Breaking the law by blocking roads impacts everyone using the road.

Breaking the law by refusing to comply with new gun registration or surrender laws impacts no one.

For me, breaking the law is breaking the law, as the Mauna Kea protestors are doing, which they know they have to suffer the consequences of their actions.

Even if it appears to be infringing on the Second Amendment, breaking Virginia's newly past gun control laws is still a crime and violators need to be arrested.  Those arrested can appeal, of course, in due process, but must still be arrested for the time being.

Unlike your interpretation, I do not slide the scale here.

I get it.  If local law enforcement does not want to carry out the laws, bring in outsiders.  This logic is sound.

Based on your logic then, Virginia's governor should bring in law enforcement from other areas from Virginia or call out the National Guard to enforce the RIDICULOUS gun laws in those counties that proclaimed themselves as gun sanctuaries, whose local law enforcement refuse to carry out the new gun laws of the state.

Do you agree?

I guess you confuse intrastate with interstate.
I don't agree.

I guess you confuse intrastate with interstate.
I don't agree.

Bottom Line: As you are a staunch critic of the protestors on Mauna Kea, who you said are breaking the law; I agree, they are breaking the law and should be arrested.  There are no exceptions.  Law is the law; right?

Hence, you must agree that those who break Virginia's latest gun control laws must be arrested.  No exceptions too.  Right?

Or are you going to create excuses why violators of Virginia's gun control laws should only follow laws that they like and should not be brought to justice?

https://www.kitv.com/story/41544339/kiai-questioned-viewers-send-in-photos-of-what-appears-to-be-trash-on-mauna-kea

too distressed to clean up after themselves...

I'm very familiar with that area and wonder why they were camping over by the Mauna Loa access road.  I'd also like to know who paved it?
Mauna Loa access road is a road nobody wants to claim. The State says it belongs to the county and the county says it is a state road.
It used to be in very bad shape.  It is an interesting drive.
The rest of the stuff does look like a Honolulu homeless dump.  Hard to check in and go hunting
with all those trespassers hanging out.

Bottom Line: As you are a staunch critic of the protestors on Mauna Kea, who you said are breaking the law; I agree, they are breaking the law and should be arrested.  There are no exceptions.  Law is the law; right?

Hence, you must agree that those who break Virginia's latest gun control laws must be arrested.  No exceptions too.  Right?

Or are you going to create excuses why violators of Virginia's gun control laws should only follow laws that they like and should not be brought to justice?

Like ALL the people on this site I never violate any Constitutional Federal, state, or local laws.

This long stretch of very windy, rainy and very cold weather would have chased almost all of them out if they had not moved.

One has not only a legal, but a moral responsibility to obey just laws.

Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.

– Martin Luther King, Jr.

Last I heard, the cops said they were going home for Christmas and told the protesters not to be there on the 26th. What happened then?

Last I heard, the cops said they were going home for Christmas and told the protesters not to be there on the 26th. What happened then?

Lyin' Harry showed up on the 26th with county (taxpayer paid) workers and truck loads full of gravel and spent three days helping the racists move their tents onto sacred aina new gravel pads (no doubt approved by some holy hawaiian who has direct communication with the gods) for their various structures. Our tax dollars at work. Along with the promise that no machinery or workers for the new site would be allowed up the mountain until at least March (when, I suspect, the county and state will allow the racists to move their structures back onto to public roadway)..

The other day there was a cleanup Mauna Kea Day where volunteers removed weeds and replaced them with native plants that normally grow up there.
Is it just me or did anyone else see the news and noticed the volunteers were all Asians and Caucasians? Or did the news media intentionally not show
any Hawaiian looking people?  I expected to see hundreds of the protectors of the mauna there.  You know, to care for da aina.

The other day there was a cleanup Mauna Kea Day where volunteers removed weeds and replaced them with native plants that normally grow up there.
Is it just me or did anyone else see the news and noticed the volunteers were all Asians and Caucasians? Or did the news media intentionally not show
any Hawaiian looking people?  I expected to see hundreds of the protectors of the mauna there.  You know, to care for da aina.

they were commoners. No pay attention to dem