Medicare For All? A Different Take (Read 24510 times)

Heavies

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #80 on: November 30, 2019, 06:01:29 AM »
What happens when government requires people to do things which require high skills, education, and knowledge for next to no pay or benefits, all for the "good" of the people?

Chernobyl

   

macsak

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #81 on: November 30, 2019, 06:06:08 AM »
First it's the doctors and nurses, then it'll be dentists, plumbers, mechanics, and so on.

 :'(
dentists are doctors...
 :-\

drck1000

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #82 on: November 30, 2019, 08:06:30 AM »
:'(
dentists are Tier 2 doctors...
 :-\
FIFY

macsak

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #83 on: November 30, 2019, 08:28:05 AM »

ren

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #84 on: November 30, 2019, 08:35:55 AM »
I notice EEF wants doctors, and I assume all other healthcare professionals, to be altruistic by donating their wealth-earning time, skills and sacrifices to the people who need their services.

I also notice sports professionals, Hollywood actors, big name singers, and financial fund managers should keep every dime they earn at whatever level the market will bear.  Why is that?

I guess it's okay to steal the fruits of one's labor in the form of taxes.  So, it must also be okay for gov't to steal the labor as well, since it's for the good of others.

What if a Hollywood superstar making, say, $20M per picture, or a TV star making $1M per episode for a sitcom, needs to see a doctor?  Why not charge the wealthy patients 1,000 times more for the same services everyone else needs?  That way the doctors and nurses get what they are worth, those who can't afford the best doctors get a deep discount, and the people performing no intrinsically valuable service but receives massive wealth because "the market decided" gets to subsidize everyone else?

First it's the doctors and nurses, then it'll be dentists, plumbers, mechanics, and so on.  Anyone who performs a critical and expensive service must involuntarily work when, where and for how much the gov't decides, because they know how to control greed.   :rofl:

That's a great point and I always think about how privileged actors and actresses are for the services they provide - which we CAN live without. They get paid a lot of money for entertainment but no one is attacking them for it. Our society and culture seems to place them on some platform and reward them for their hubris and hedonistic lifestyles. They have the audacity to tell us to give our rights and values coming from a platform of blatant drug use, atheism, excess and promiscuity. Then we are told that drug use is a "disease". C'mon. Reality please kick them in the face.
Anyways, my rant.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #85 on: November 30, 2019, 09:49:38 AM »
:'(
dentists are doctors...
 :-\

Keep dreaming ...   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #86 on: November 30, 2019, 10:31:48 PM »
Businesses exist to make profit. Basic economics.
https://philschatz.com/economics-book/contents/m48648.html


Never said we shouldn't have a profit margin.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #87 on: November 30, 2019, 10:33:30 PM »
I notice EEF wants doctors, and I assume all other healthcare professionals, to be altruistic by donating their wealth-earning time, skills and sacrifices to the people who need their services.


Strawman.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #88 on: November 30, 2019, 10:53:56 PM »
Strawman.

it always amuses me how you inject yourself into so many topics that have nothing whatsoever to do with your little stories.

WTF does you pretending giving someone who might not even NEED to pay less a break have to do with Medicare for All?

 :stopjack:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

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changemyoil66

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #90 on: December 01, 2019, 08:36:15 AM »
That's a great point and I always think about how privileged actors and actresses are for the services they provide - which we CAN live without. They get paid a lot of money for entertainment but no one is attacking them for it. Our society and culture seems to place them on some platform and reward them for their hubris and hedonistic lifestyles. They have the audacity to tell us to give our rights and values coming from a platform of blatant drug use, atheism, excess and promiscuity. Then we are told that drug use is a "disease". C'mon. Reality please kick them in the face.
Anyways, my rant.
It was bad when Jimmy Kimmel used his show to promote barry care. He was crying because his son got the surgery he needed thanks to barry care. Like he doesnt have the cash to pay for the surgery. And retards who sided with him didnt think about that.

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ren

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #91 on: December 01, 2019, 09:32:25 AM »
It was bad when Jimmy Kimmel used his show to promote barry care. He was crying because his son got the surgery he needed thanks to barry care. Like he doesnt have the cash to pay for the surgery. And retards who sided with him didnt think about that.

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He's only worth $35 million   ::)
https://networthbro.com/jimmy-kimmel-net-worth/

and a look at his paltry home



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Inspector

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #92 on: December 01, 2019, 09:46:00 AM »
It was bad when Jimmy Kimmel used his show to promote barry care. He was crying because his son got the surgery he needed thanks to barry care. Like he doesnt have the cash to pay for the surgery. And retards who sided with him didnt think about that.

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My wild eyed progressive cousin’s wife unfortunately went through a bout with breast cancer. Fortunately, she beat it and is doing very well. After her diagnosis of beating cancer he went on Twitter and thanked Obamacare for saving his wife. He is a developer for a huge nationally known and recognizable website and she is a teacher for Los Angeles School District. They both have excellent PRIVATE insurance. So I publicly tweeted on his tweet the question how Obamacare had anything to do with his wife beating cancer particularly since they both have some of the best PRIVATE insurance in the country. He deleted my tweet. Several times. So for a week I waited until after 10pm in CA and then posted my question again so it sat overnight before he deleted it. Some people started asking him the same question.  :shake: :shake: :shake: He finally deleted his own tweet.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #93 on: December 01, 2019, 09:59:33 AM »
My wild eyed progressive cousin’s wife unfortunately went through a bout with breast cancer. Fortunately, she beat it and is doing very well. After her diagnosis of beating cancer he went on Twitter and thanked Obamacare for saving his wife. He is a developer for a huge nationally known and recognizable website and she is a teacher for Los Angeles School District. They both have excellent PRIVATE insurance. So I publicly tweeted on his tweet the question how Obamacare had anything to do with his wife beating cancer particularly since they both have some of the best PRIVATE insurance in the country. He deleted my tweet. Several times. So for a week I waited until after 10pm in CA and then posted my question again so it sat overnight before he deleted it. Some people started asking him the same question.  :shake: :shake: :shake: He finally deleted his own tweet.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You must be WAYCIST!  You hated the 1/2-Black-1/2-White President because you hate anyone the White Nationalist Brotherhood tells you to!!

There .... your logic and reasoning no longer exist.   O0
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #94 on: December 01, 2019, 10:25:44 AM »
You must be WAYCIST!  You hated the 1/2-Black-1/2-White President because you hate anyone the White Nationalist Brotherhood tells you to!!

There .... your logic and reasoning no longer exist.   O0
You’re right, I’m not smart enough to think for myself.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

changemyoil66

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #95 on: December 01, 2019, 12:23:34 PM »
My wild eyed progressive cousin’s wife unfortunately went through a bout with breast cancer. Fortunately, she beat it and is doing very well. After her diagnosis of beating cancer he went on Twitter and thanked Obamacare for saving his wife. He is a developer for a huge nationally known and recognizable website and she is a teacher for Los Angeles School District. They both have excellent PRIVATE insurance. So I publicly tweeted on his tweet the question how Obamacare had anything to do with his wife beating cancer particularly since they both have some of the best PRIVATE insurance in the country. He deleted my tweet. Several times. So for a week I waited until after 10pm in CA and then posted my question again so it sat overnight before he deleted it. Some people started asking him the same question.  :shake: :shake: :shake: He finally deleted his own tweet.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Someones not invited to holiday dinners T their place.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #96 on: December 03, 2019, 10:29:51 PM »
it always amuses me how you inject yourself into so many topics that have nothing whatsoever to do with your little stories.

WTF does you pretending giving someone who might not even NEED to pay less a break have to do with Medicare for All?


The stories are there to illustrate points which you then try to misrepresent. I was talking about the cost of healthcare and on (of many) factors that contributes to the cost.

What I can't understand is why you push back so hard at the suggestion that people consider charity over profits as a personal life decision. You going to complain I tithe too much next?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Medicare For All? A Different Take
« Reply #97 on: December 10, 2019, 08:40:49 AM »
USAA is who I was talking about.

I had 5 @ 4-wheel vehicles and a motorcycle insured with them at one point, with more than the bare minimum coverage plus a $500 deductible.

Also, I've been with USAA since 1984.   :thumbsup:

I'm down to one vehicle now.  Last year's distribution was $289.86 (Dec 6, 2018).

My expectation of what's "usual" needs adjusting now that I'm not paying for 4 drivers.

Follow-up.  I just got my deposit from USAA:  $657.51.   :thumbsup:

I also didn't go into detail on how that whole thing works.

They set up a "Subscriber's Savings Account" with each policy holder.  At the end of each year, they determine what they can refund to the customers.

Once your account exceeds a certain level, they THEN start sending a check/direct depositing the "additional overage" amount.

So, it might take a year or three for your account balance to exceed the point where you actually get a refund.  All depends on how well they did in a given year, and how much you are paying in premiums.

The remaining balance in each customer's "savings account" is invested to generate more revenue or as a "buffer" in years where claims are higher than premiums and investments alone cover their costs.

Hope that helps.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw