So were did the 2 trillion come from its your money to begin with!?
Dont work! make more national Debt! Stand in a line to get free food! Give essential works free stuff and stay home to protect the live that are in danger!

You seem to have a lot of stress and internal anger. Did this pandemic cause you severe economic harm?  If so, I feel for you.  Of course you understand I have no control over what our government does. But as a free American who is dissatisfied with the way this country is going, you do have the right to move to another country.

I saw the news.  A HS classmate reported being stuck in that line for like 6 hours!  But he got a LOT of food.  More than his family of 3 needs, so he was sharing with neighbors/friends.

Platinum is going to see your post and get upset.  We need to avoid making him upset and angry.  Anger leads to high blood pressure, strokes and heart attacks.

I know a guy who came back from a trip in January and got sick.
He spread it to his coworkers. His wife never got it.
Everybody recovered ok.

I would not want to be your friend when he goes back to see his workmates.   

It’s not just about the kupuna - even young healthy adults are dying from this.   The past two fatalities we know any details about in HI are men over the age of 65.  One actually got released and then relapsed and died.  That’s super sad.  I see the same argument whenever a TV station or a newspaper posts about the subject and I’m curious as to what people mean when they say “get back to life”.  What does that mean for you?

Everyone needs to go back to work, no question about it.  What is frightening is how some people don't care about the number of fatalities will occur due to the community spread it will result.

Imagine if Hawaii stopped the tourism industry,  this is what it would be like,  unless we have some sort of income industry

Instilling fear is a way of gaining compliance....

Was it worth it?  That's a very subjective question.  Some people are making out quite well financially and getting a free vacation on top of it.

If you're asking if the lockdowns and other efforts were worth their being implemented, I refer you to Schrodinger's cat.

We can never know what would have been, because we DID employ extreme measures to stop the spread.  We can't know if the spread was ever going to result in millions dead, but that's precisely what the models indicated.  Yeah, the models have been wrong almost every time, but that's not because the model is inaccurate.  It's because the models don't factor in our reactions that result from the models' predictions.

If I tell you you have a 50% chance of dying within 1 mile of your home, and that 70% of accidental deaths occur inside the home, will that cause you to spend more time away from home?  Will you exercise more attention and care while at home?  Will you drive more cautiously when approaching the 1 mile mark from home?

If the stats make us take action that reduces the probability that the bad thing will happen, then I guess you could argue the stats are wrong now.  But, what if you hadn't heard those stats and never changed one thing about how you go about your days and nights at home?  Would you then be just another statistic?

Hindsight is 20/20.  I'd be a billionaire if I could have played the stock market a year ago knowing what I know now.

Wondering if the virus was here from the very start of the outbreaks?  Waiting for the fast antibody test, I want to see how many people have already had it and recovered. 

Was it worth it?  That's a very subjective question.  Some people are making out quite well financially and getting a free vacation on top of it.

If you're asking if the lockdowns and other efforts were worth their being implemented, I refer you to Schrodinger's cat.

We can never know what would have been, because we DID employ extreme measures to stop the spread.  We can't know if the spread was ever going to result in millions dead, but that's precisely what the models indicated.  Yeah, the models have been wrong almost every time, but that's not because the model is inaccurate.  It's because the models don't factor in our reactions that result from the models' predictions.

If I tell you you have a 50% chance of dying within 1 mile of your home, and that 70% of accidental deaths occur inside the home, will that cause you to spend more time away from home?  Will you exercise more attention and care while at home?  Will you drive more cautiously when approaching the 1 mile mark from home?

If the stats make us take action that reduces the probability that the bad thing will happen, then I guess you could argue the stats are wrong now.  But, what if you hadn't heard those stats and never changed one thing about how you go about your days and nights at home?  Would you then be just another statistic?

Hindsight is 20/20.  I'd be a billionaire if I could have played the stock market a year ago knowing what I know now.

Well said. Too many people want to take one side or another in a rush to judge but in truth it could take years to fully digest how this all went down and to give somewhat solid answers on what should have been done and what worked.

Heck, there are still varying mortality rate numbers being thrown out, some near that of the flu and others 10x that of the flu. It inevitably boils down to the question of whether we risk the side effects of not doing enough or do a little and hope it doesn't turn out that bad.

Wondering if the virus was here from the very start of the outbreaks?  Waiting for the fast antibody test, I want to see how many people have already had it and recovered.

I did hear on the new that they had traced back the first covid19 test to all the way back in February, weeks before the previously thought first death. I very much think it was in the USA as of January. I had what I thought was the flu in early February but missing some of the usual symptoms. I would be that I may have already had it.

My daughter and her almost-2-yr-old and the father moved in with me in late December.  In mid-January, MLK weekend to be exact, we held a garage sale to help get rid of the excess stuff they brought.

I saw at least three people wearing surgical masks as they browsed and bought.  I helped two men load up an electric piano which they said was going back to the PI for a church there.

About 2 days later, I developed symptoms.  Fever, deep mucus-producing cough, tightness in the lungs like when the VOG rolls in, a sore throat, runny nose, etc. 

Took me about 2 weeks to really get over it.  Went though lots of NyQuil Severe Cold & Flu liquid, Muscinex, cough drops and Kleenex.

Since the COVID virus takes a couple of weeks to present symptoms as far as we've been told, not only was the garage sale too close to the onset, but all 3 of those in my house never complained of a single symptom.

My diagnosis was I had the regular flu or a bad cold.  Most likely I caught it from someone at the 3-day yard sale.

Then again, it could have been something I picked up at Costco or Walmart.  Unless you can pinpoint the moment you came into contact with an infected person, there's really no way to do much more than make a list of possible places you contracted it.

Did I have Covid?

Maybe.

Do I think I had it?

Only an antibody test can MAYBE answer that.  Even if that's positive, it's still just a guess given the details I laid out.

I would not want to be your friend when he goes back to see his workmates.   

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All this occurred in January. Everybody has been back to normal for months.

Platinum is going to see your post and get upset.  We need to avoid making him upset and angry.  Anger leads to high blood pressure, strokes and heart attacks.

You are the only one that is making me upset its because your such a bitch!

Sorry for making you upset. I won't comment on any of your posts any more.  I promise.
Try your best to enjoy the rest of your weekend.

You are the only one that is making me upset its because your such a bitch!

 

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