They came for bump stocks... (Read 8846 times)

ren

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2020, 02:24:02 PM »
Doubt its 4D chess.  Probably going to add to the list of things he didn't do for gun rights.

better than voting for Biden
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2020, 03:17:12 PM »
better than voting for Biden

I haven't seen Trump advocating for double barrel shotguns fired off the balcony in the dark of night.  Also haven't seen him trying to say how an AR-15 is harder to aim and shoot than a shotgun.

Neither is he promising to put Beto "we are coming for your guns"  O'Rourke in charge of gun control policy.

Until then, Trump is still head and shoulders above Biden on guns.

You can't avoid voting for an imperfect man while waiting for the perfect 2A president.  We don't ever have that luxury.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2020, 03:22:54 PM »
better than voting for Biden
I haven't seen Trump advocating for double barrel shotguns fired off the balcony in the dark of night.  Also haven't seen him trying to say how an AR-15 is harder to aim and shoot than a shotgun.

Neither is he promising to put Beto "we are coming for your guns"  O'Rourke in charge of gun control policy.

Until then, Trump is still head and shoulders above Biden on guns.

You can't avoid voting for an imperfect man while waiting for the perfect 2A president.  We don't ever have that luxury.

True I guess that's part of the reason in the end I didn't vote Biden.  But not the candidate that ran so pro 2a.  So i guess we didn't get fucked but didn't get any promises. 

eyeeatingfish

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2020, 12:22:54 PM »
So you agree with the ATF's previous assessment that "bUmpStOcKs ArE mUhShEeNGuns"  :wacko:

I don't recall the exact reasoning that the ATF used to ban bumpstocks but the decision also wasn't a surprise. Bumpstocks fairly effectively simulated automatic fire even though the gun wasn't a technically an automatic firearm. Pretending a pistol brace wasn't a stock is like insisting a bird isn't a duck even though it looks, acts, quacks, and tastes like a duck.

I looked at pistol braces a bit skeptically until I went to a gun store and I actually strapped the brace to my arm like they were supposedly designed to be used. It became pretty clear that pistol braces were just a product designed to fit through a loophole.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2020, 01:08:04 PM »
I don't recall the exact reasoning that the ATF used to ban bumpstocks but the decision also wasn't a surprise. Bumpstocks fairly effectively simulated automatic fire even though the gun wasn't a technically an automatic firearm. Pretending a pistol brace wasn't a stock is like insisting a bird isn't a duck even though it looks, acts, quacks, and tastes like a duck.

I looked at pistol braces a bit skeptically until I went to a gun store and I actually strapped the brace to my arm like they were supposedly designed to be used. It became pretty clear that pistol braces were just a product designed to fit through a loophole.

Take SBRs off the NFA.

Fixes a multitude of problems, including these braces.  The only rationale for not liking these braces is they "create" an SBR when the design is changed in order to use it as a shoulder stock.

If shouldering a pistol brace "creates" an SBR, then the definition, and restrictions, on actual SBRs needs to be repealed.  If it's that easy to transform a pistol to an SBR, then the regulation has no reason to exist.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2020, 01:31:10 PM »
Take SBRs off the NFA.

Fixes a multitude of problems, including these braces.  The only rationale for not liking these braces is they "create" an SBR when the design is changed in order to use it as a shoulder stock.

If shouldering a pistol brace "creates" an SBR, then the definition, and restrictions, on actual SBRs needs to be repealed.  If it's that easy to transform a pistol to an SBR, then the regulation has no reason to exist.

Omg this is the first thing I've heard flap say that I agree with.  Belated Prime day miracle.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2020, 02:23:29 PM »
Omg this is the first thing I've heard flap say that I agree with.  Belated Prime day miracle.

Yay!  This is what I live for...

... a 20-something's approval.

My life is now complete  :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2020, 08:38:09 AM »
were there a rash of crimes involving these stocks?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2020, 09:53:15 AM »
were there a rash of crimes involving these stocks?

Just one that I know of .....

.... Mandalay Bay mass shooting in Las Vegas (more accurately Paradise, NV), targeting the Route 91 Harvest music festival.

The shooter had 14 AR-15s and 8 AR-10s.  All 14 AR-15s were fitted with Bump Stocks -- 10 of which had 100 rd mags.

59 killed, plus 2 more, one in 2019 and one in 2020.

867 wounded.

He also fired 8 rounds at a large jet fuel tank 2,000 ft away.  One struck the exterior only, and one penetrate the tank.  Jet fuel is mostly kerosene and will not normally ignite from a bullet strike.

Time of attack:  10:05pm - 10:15pm.  10 minutes elapsed before he stopped firing.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2020, 10:22:26 AM »
The fire sounded belt fed and not from a bump stock. #tinfoil #jetfueldoesntmeltsteel

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2020, 10:23:50 AM »
The fire sounded belt fed and not from a bump stock. #tinfoil #jetfueldoesntmeltsteel

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And Jeffrey Epstein had the shooter over to his island more than once.   :tinfoil:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Bota-CS1

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2020, 06:28:35 PM »
And Jeffrey Epstein had the shooter over to his island more than once.   :tinfoil:

He did.  I saw the manifest on and old laptop someone left at my repair shop and never came back to pick up.   :rofl:

No one is coming, it’s up to us.

Legislation should never be about depriving law abiding citizens of something, but rather taking those things away from criminals.

eyeeatingfish

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2020, 07:37:25 PM »
Take SBRs off the NFA.

Fixes a multitude of problems, including these braces.  The only rationale for not liking these braces is they "create" an SBR when the design is changed in order to use it as a shoulder stock.

If shouldering a pistol brace "creates" an SBR, then the definition, and restrictions, on actual SBRs needs to be repealed.  If it's that easy to transform a pistol to an SBR, then the regulation has no reason to exist.

That would certainly solve the issue. Plus with the buffer tube alone you can almost shoulder it decently anyway.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2020, 07:46:37 PM by eyeeatingfish »

Bota-CS1

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2020, 11:54:41 AM »
No one is coming, it’s up to us.

Legislation should never be about depriving law abiding citizens of something, but rather taking those things away from criminals.

omnigun

Re: They came for bump stocks...
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2020, 01:00:05 PM »