More guns get added to C&R list everyday.

Remember, he's the one that said the police do have a legal duty to protect you.....

Even though in 1995 the US supreme court said "that law enforcement officers don't need to protect the people" I think I saw it on 2a foundation website.

The bolded is exactly why an "assault" pistol is a "pistol."    It's like saying a white tail deer, is not a deer /facepalm  its a logic fail.

The only way to say contrary, would be to go pull up the legislative history and recordings to actually hear the intent of the legislature when they enacted this law.

Welcome to the world of the Government where common sense isn't so common and idiots are elected to run it.

I drawed you a graff.

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I drawed you a graff.

You mean Graph?

No one have an opinion based on my awesomely drawn graph? =O(

I think that "ASSAULT" should be what it is, just an act and not a tool....

It's just a shoe used in an "ASSAULT"....... or is it an "ASSAULT" shoe....... 

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I just thought that I would point out a picture from Massad Ayoob on Hawaii's magazine laws.  Please look at this article, about half way down page under the “Birds of a feather” section.  There is a nice little picture.  Please read that caption, which states in full:

 

This 20-round magazine of .308 Winchester (7.62mm NATO) ammunition for author’s HK91 rifle is illegal in Hawaii; Cook County, Illinois; and some other jurisdictions.

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob105.html

News?

I just thought that I would point out a picture from Massad Ayoob on Hawaii's magazine laws.  Please look at this article, about half way down page under the “Birds of a feather” section.  There is a nice little picture.  Please read that caption, which states in full:

 
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob105.html

Mr Ayoob is a smart guy when it comes to firearms laws, but I have to wonder if he is not just shooting from the hip here. 

Even if you take HI literally and not parse "assault pistol", it would be mighty hard to find any short pistol size sidearm that takes a HK91 magazine.  Same with AR10 or LR308.  They just do not exist in pistol form in this universe, being illegal here notwithstanding.

News?

In light of CO / NY / Wisconsin shootings,

It's not something we are focusing on right now.  Be smart, we are already under attack by Innoye and others wanting to strip our magazines.  Many of us have decided, it's a stupid idea to ask questions we don't really want the answer to.

Mr Ayoob is a smart guy when it comes to firearms laws, but I have to wonder if he is not just shooting from the hip here. 

Even if you take HI literally and not parse "assault pistol", it would be mighty hard to find any short pistol size sidearm that takes a HK91 magazine.  Same with AR10 or LR308.  They just do not exist in pistol form in this universe, being illegal here notwithstanding.

HRS 134-1 defines a pistol as: "Pistol" or "revolver" means any firearm of any shape with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length and capable of discharging loaded ammunition or any noxious gas.

The HK91 appears to have been manufactured as a SBR, which under Hawaii law means it is considered a "pistol" and therefore limited to a 10 round magazine.

http://www.investmentgradefirearms.com/G3kconversion.htm

Mr Ayoob is a smart guy when it comes to firearms laws, but I have to wonder if he is not just shooting from the hip here. 

Even if you take HI literally and not parse "assault pistol", it would be mighty hard to find any short pistol size sidearm that takes a HK91 magazine.  Same with AR10 or LR308.  They just do not exist in pistol form in this universe, being illegal here notwithstanding.

Been available for 8 years

What?

You mean Massad Ayoob, one of the most respected names in the industry actually knew what he was talking about? 

No way. 

I stand corrected, but want nothing to do with that thing.  So, how many of them are in Hawaii?  Sarcasm intended.........

A rifle length HK91 is a nasty recoiling thing as it is.  Can imagine that little contraption.  Must be great for noise and blast, not so much for hitting anything.

Other than just bragging rights, the Thompson-Contender guys blasting away with rifle cartridges always seemed an exercise in masochism to me.

Other than just bragging rights, the Thompson-Contender guys blasting away with rifle cartridges always seemed an exercise in masochism to me.

What the hell did you call me? 

 

What the hell did you call me? 

 

I might be tempted to touch off a .223 from a short barrel, but a .45-70 or .308?  Why not just go smack my hand with a hammer? 

I might be tempted to touch off a .223 from a short barrel, but a .45-70 or .308?  Why not just go smack my hand with a hammer? 

Because it's not close enough.  Better simulation would be repeatedly slamming a car door over your hand.

I might be tempted to touch off a .223 from a short barrel, but a .45-70 or .308?  Why not just go smack my hand with a hammer? 

.308 out of a cut down H&K 91 is not really that bad.  The stuff the silhouette shooters use is worse.  I'm pretty certain their single shots are (1) lighter and (2) don't have a moveable bolt carrier to eat more recoil.