Suicide and Euthanasia (Read 12832 times)

drck1000

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #60 on: October 14, 2021, 02:23:56 PM »
goalpost moved to participation trophy...
Belive they are the same thing, right?
« Last Edit: October 14, 2021, 03:02:49 PM by drck1000 »

omnigun

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #61 on: October 14, 2021, 02:56:13 PM »
You are a pretty  Libertarian atheist sort of "person".
I too am VERY Libertarian, but I am a God fearing man.
I disagree here
" But the government shouldn't force people to live or do something that isn't for the public good/safety."
Fuck the government.  Which one of them decides what constitutes "public safety"? Do you? Do I?
We decide. You and only you are responsible for you and your families safety and their "good".  Not the fuking government.
 :grrr:

I believe government has purpose.  To protect its citizens, hence we have the draft and laws and a country.  Over reach is bad but no government is bad too.  There must be balance and government to play its role. 

omnigun

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #62 on: October 14, 2021, 02:58:27 PM »
He isn't an atheist that he claims. Many of his postings support the fact that he believes in god.  Even 1 of his post today, which is his first day back from a suspension.  He can't even hide his belief for 24 hours.


Lol.  Surely you know me better than myself.   :crazy: :crazy:

omnigun

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #63 on: October 14, 2021, 03:00:34 PM »
I didn't read anything that said the suicide had to be intentional.

The rate of Whites/Non-Hispanics dying from overdoses is 26.2, and the rate for Non-Hispanic Blacks is 24.8.

So, it would appear Whites and Black commit suicide in close to even rates.  But, add in other minorities:

Non-Hispanic Native American/Alaska Native:  30.5
Non-Hispanic Asian:  3.3
Non-Hispanic Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander:  9.5
Hispanic:  12.7

Those rates are per 100,000 Standard Population.

Yeah, I'd say suicide has a preferred race.  When you look at factors like racial division, messaging that says you're oppressed by Whites, Critical Race Theory training, lower quality healthcare, need to work longer hours for less pay in some areas, poor educational opportunities, substandard public schools in urban areas, Social Media flaunting the good life that most will never achieve, ....it's a wonder most people below a given economic level aren't suicidal.

Written like a democrat. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #64 on: October 14, 2021, 03:10:58 PM »
Written like a democrat.

Insults?  No substantive rebuttal?

Written like a whiny little bitch who's still mad about being suspended for 3 weeks.

#YouNeedALongerBreak
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #65 on: October 14, 2021, 03:30:48 PM »
Insults?  No substantive rebuttal?

Written like a whiny little bitch who's still mad about being suspended for 3 weeks.

#YouNeedALongerBreak

You hit all the talking points.  Blaming race.  Ignoring the fact that most other minorities have less suicide rates.

ren

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #66 on: October 14, 2021, 03:56:35 PM »
if you had a son and he asked you for help with his suicide would you?
« Last Edit: October 14, 2021, 04:04:50 PM by ren »
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #67 on: October 14, 2021, 04:29:07 PM »
You hit all the talking points.  Blaming race.  Ignoring the fact that most other minorities have less suicide rates.

Show me where I ever said race was the cause.  I never once "blamed race".

Correlation does not equal causation, Genius.

You've yet to post any stats on minorities and suicide rates, so who, would you say, is ignoring them?    :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #68 on: October 14, 2021, 04:31:19 PM »
IF I WANTED AN EMOTION-LACED LECTURE,

I WOULD HAVE STAYED MARRIED.


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #69 on: October 14, 2021, 04:35:48 PM »
if you had a son and he asked you for help with his suicide would you?

Better question:  If his son asked for help to kill himself, would the father get rid of all of his own guns?

If you believe in red flag laws, the answer would be "immediately."
« Last Edit: October 14, 2021, 11:16:45 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #70 on: October 15, 2021, 06:20:45 AM »
if you had a son and he asked you for help with his suicide would you?

I would not help.  I would try and get him help but in end it's his decision.  If he is an adult it's up to him.   All I can do is do my best to raise him right so he never has those thoughts.   

omnigun

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #71 on: October 15, 2021, 06:21:45 AM »
Better question:  If his son asked for help to kill himself, would the father get rid of all of his own guns?

If you believe in red flag laws, the answer would be "immediately."

Nope as said before.  I don't believe in red flag laws.  Nor do I associate guns with suicide.  Try read a bit more next time.   

changemyoil66

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #72 on: October 15, 2021, 09:19:21 AM »
Better question:  If his son asked for help to kill himself, would the father get rid of all of his own guns?

If you believe in red flag laws, the answer would be "immediately."

He would also make his neighbor get rid of all their guns too. Cause you know, it also works like the vaxx. Both you and I have to be vaxxed inorder for the vaxx to work and him be safe.

omnigun

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #73 on: October 15, 2021, 09:31:38 AM »
He would also make his neighbor get rid of all their guns too. Cause you know, it also works like the vaxx. Both you and I have to be vaxxed inorder for the vaxx to work and him be safe.

Another person who can't read.  Or understand basic words.  :shaka: :shaka:

ren

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #74 on: October 15, 2021, 09:32:32 AM »
Despite 100 hours of training, when the ROs say  5 rnds in your mag, they mean 5 rnds!
« Last Edit: October 15, 2021, 09:39:55 AM by ren »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #75 on: October 15, 2021, 02:15:42 PM »
Despite 100 hours of training, when the ROs say  5 rnds in your mag, they mean 5 rnds!

I just earned a "Swoooooooosh!"

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #76 on: October 15, 2021, 03:03:33 PM »
I just earned a "Swoooooooosh!"

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Suicide and Euthanasia
« Reply #77 on: October 15, 2021, 10:33:12 PM »
I think Omni brings up a fair question because I too have noticed a somewhat inconsistent stance on this issue by conservatives. On the one hand conservatives tend to be for less government telling us what we can and cannot do so why should they get to tell us when we want to end our lives? On the other hand conservatives tend take a certain sanctity of life type stance that seems to be opposed to physician assisted suicides.

I cannot see how the inconsistency can be resolved but I do think that it comes from the fact that conservatives are more likely to be christian than liberals and with that they bring into conservatism certain ideas which don't really fit within the ideology of conservatism. I think it shows how blurry lines can be in political ideologies. It is a sort of cognitive dissonance I think.