Jan 6 commission takeaway so far (Read 1420 times)

eyeeatingfish

Jan 6 commission takeaway so far
« on: July 20, 2022, 11:51:02 PM »
I have been loosely following the Jan 6 commission hearings and overall I think they look pretty bad for Trump and his group. Is the Jan 6 commission playing partisan politics? Absolutely, their bias is shining so bright it is blatantly obvious that they are only looking for evidence pointing towards one direction. There is no way they can call it a complete, comprehensive, or objective investigation. I don't trust what they proclaim as anything but political fluff. I haven't seen anything that, to me, amounts to a clear criminal violation by Trump himself either. (Maybe by some of his staff? - I suspect Giuliani and others may have concocted the plan and fed it to Trump. Did Trump know he lost or did they convince him he won and they had a legal strategy?)

That being said, enough has come out that Trump's behavior was troublesome and unbecoming of a president.  Yes, there is no cross examination or defense witnesses but these are Trump's own people in many cases recounting these events. (I am not including alleged testimony not shown to the public, testimony of irrelevant things (food throwing, etc.), hearsay testimony, etc)
-He had multiple people around him telling him that he lost legitimately.
-His efforts at maintaining order were quite weak, especially given the context that the protesters wanted him to stay in power.
-He wanted to seize the voting machines
-Mark Meadows stated Trump said something to the effect of Maybe Pence should be hanged
-The whole thing of fighting the election results appears to be a plan plan developed well before the election, not an organic development
-Fox news personalities were texting Trump to get him to do something
-Trump reportedly had a habit of tearing up records/documents, including some relating to Jan 6,
-A number of republicans and staffers sought pardons from Trump after Jan 6. (Why seek a pardon if it was all legal and just?)

And now the secret service text messages suddenly coincidentally/conveniently are erased from that day.

This is just my take so far but there is more to come so we will see but so far it looks like people in government abused power to try and stay in power.
I suspect others here will have different takes, this one is mine.

hvybarrels

Re: Jan 6 commission takeaway so far
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2022, 01:34:51 PM »
In a real trial you get to cross examine witnesses. In a show trial you get to go up and say whatever you want because there are no consequences for lying, only rewards.
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

changemyoil66

Re: Jan 6 commission takeaway so far
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2022, 01:50:36 PM »
Trump is guilty because I feel that he is.  He ordered the people to storm the capitol and to sit in Pelosi's chair in her office.  He also told 1 guy to steal her phone so he can rub his balls on it. Then return the phone and put it back exactly how it was found.

groveler

Re: Jan 6 commission takeaway so far
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2022, 05:22:01 PM »
I have been loosely following the Jan 6 commission hearings and overall I think they look pretty bad for Trump and his group. Is the Jan 6 commission playing partisan politics? Absolutely, their bias is shining so bright it is blatantly obvious that they are only looking for evidence pointing towards one direction. There is no way they can call it a complete, comprehensive, or objective investigation. I don't trust what they proclaim as anything but political fluff. I haven't seen anything that, to me, amounts to a clear criminal violation by Trump himself either. (Maybe by some of his staff? - I suspect Giuliani and others may have concocted the plan and fed it to Trump. Did Trump know he lost or did they convince him he won and they had a legal strategy?)

That being said, enough has come out that Trump's behavior was troublesome and unbecoming of a president.  Yes, there is no cross examination or defense witnesses but these are Trump's own people in many cases recounting these events. (I am not including alleged testimony not shown to the public, testimony of irrelevant things (food throwing, etc.), hearsay testimony, etc)
-He had multiple people around him telling him that he lost legitimately.
-His efforts at maintaining order were quite weak, especially given the context that the protesters wanted him to stay in power.
-He wanted to seize the voting machines
-Mark Meadows stated Trump said something to the effect of Maybe Pence should be hanged
-The whole thing of fighting the election results appears to be a plan plan developed well before the election, not an organic development
-Fox news personalities were texting Trump to get him to do something
-Trump reportedly had a habit of tearing up records/documents, including some relating to Jan 6,
-A number of republicans and staffers sought pardons from Trump after Jan 6. (Why seek a pardon if it was all legal and just?)

And now the secret service text messages suddenly coincidentally/conveniently are erased from that day.

This is just my take so far but there is more to come so we will see but so far it looks like people in government abused power to try and stay in power.
I suspect others here will have different takes, this one is mine.
My put on Jan 6, is simple if it was a planned insurrection , every congress critter and their special guards should have been slaughtered.
I would have thought that,  that was a good thing.
But then again I realize my government is the biggest threat to my health, safety, and welfare.
Paid a medical bill lately?
Had a cop save your life from a mass shooter?
Bought food or gas lately?

That is just a swamp kangaroo court that any thinking person would reject as politics as usual in the Federal government.
There was no insurrection, friends.
Go back to work, nothing to see here.
 :wave:

robtmc

Re: Jan 6 commission takeaway so far
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2022, 06:23:28 PM »
Fake News media relentlessly beating the drum "Riot/Insurrection" To frame those hated conservatives the way they want. 
Or. the way they have been ordered to do.

Meanwhile. Ray Epps and other paid government provocateurs walk free.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Jan 6 commission takeaway so far
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2022, 08:52:58 PM »
In a real trial you get to cross examine witnesses. In a show trial you get to go up and say whatever you want because there are no consequences for lying, only rewards.

Very true, which is why the finding of the Jan 6 commission should not be taken as gospel.