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^^^Nice post 808shooter

Dont forget his Cat Love videos!

Knudsen doesn't want improvements; he wants the range shutdown permanently.

You have to understand that he is one of those idiots that thinks he can solve the worlds problems with carebear stares and eskimo kisses, and associates gun ownership with violence.

no, he stated repeatedly that he does not want the range shut down
politicians always tell the truth, right?

I apologize if this has been covered already, I am not as politically active as I would like to be on 2a matters. 

Yes, Knudsen is anti-gun, maybe he wants to see the range shut down.  I think that getting upset at the guy is a waste of time.  Since he has some political clout (HK Board), why don't we try to propose improvements at the range that would satisfy his concerns?  Maybe we could even get him partially on our side if improvements in range design are made. 
I know that getting any money put into the range is a long-shot, but maybe right now is a good opportunity.  We may have a couple factors in our favor such as a supportive mayor, and a neighborhood board that wants to address recent safety concerns.
 

I'd agree in an ideal world, but this isn't one so I defer to NOT trusting what Knudsen says despite his inch of perceived political clout. Imagine if he made it to mayor?! Neighborhood boards are, I think, relatively easy to get as most of us are too busy to bother with additional responsibilities. I'm the defacto president of our association board because everyone took a step back and I just stood there. I can only imagine the same with neighborhood boards. I don't trust what Knudsen says after being told that he was at the range taking pictures of what he feels are "offenders" or possible perpetrators or shooting over the hill. You want this kind of person - who doesn't support the military, who doesn't respect your rights, believes in same sex marriage and scoffs at the church; as a future politician? Doesn't this sound like  movie of a young child with three numbers on the back of his head?
He is trying to take down our ONLY public range on the island. An island with a population of over a million and almost the same number of registered firearms. The entire shooting community should be enraged at this guy. So far there is no conclusive evidence that the rounds in question have originated from the range.
More kittens are killed when Knudsen lies.

I don't think that you need to get the guy anywhere near your/our side.  If you do those safety improvements they should be simply that safety improvements and have the target ranges increased to 300+ yards?  Hell maybe even get someone who designs ranges to give the place a look-see as to what could be done.  Then beat on your state legislators for money.

I apologize if this has been covered already, I am not as politically active as I would like to be on 2a matters. 

Yes, Knudsen is anti-gun, maybe he wants to see the range shut down.  I think that getting upset at the guy is a waste of time.  Since he has some political clout (HK Board), why don't we try to propose improvements at the range that would satisfy his concerns?  Maybe we could even get him partially on our side if improvements in range design are made.  I've attached two pictures of shooting ranges on the mainland where there are safety measures to prevent a projectile from leaving the range at an unwanted angle

I actually wouldn't mind the cylinders or the wood baffles, but let's be clear here: Knudsen seems to be a 60s Hippie gun hating radical.

If he were to answer honestly, he'd be in favor of no guns. Period.

Let's not kid ourselves.

I bet your pops wasn't the only one. 

I wonder if he knows where that cat's tongue has been?

 

I don't think that you need to get the guy anywhere near your/our side.  If you do those safety improvements they should be simply that safety improvements and have the target ranges increased to 300+ yards?  Hell maybe even get someone who designs ranges to give the place a look-see as to what could be done.  Then beat on your state legislators for money.

I don't see 300 happening, maybe 200 at most.  There's a lot of design considerations along with environmental impact statements.  We'd need another location for a range or go to the big island range  in the future.

Oh this is an old thread.  How'd you find this?

Necro post.

Necro post.

Hmmmm, sounds racisss.   




Oh wait, never ind.

or go to the big island range  in the future.

No kidding this is old. like prehistoric.

And more than a bit irksome to think where things were going back then.

It was around 9:30 in the morning on a sat or sunday according to the khon2 news report.

from the hawaii rifleman
nov 2013
article by dr max cooper
sunday october 27, 2013
subsequently examined by khsc staff
"the bullet was .30 caliber and appeared scuffed"
"there are 2 other separate .30 caliber recovery incidents from the area"
"fallen hanging  metal targets propped at an angle are implicated"

my additional comment
.30 caliber can be .308. 30-30. or any of the 7.62 rounds, so determining what type of gun it was fired from would be difficult
from other reports, the time was 9:30 am

Yup these posts are old.....doesn't the range call a cease fire every half hour to check and set targets?  So at around 9:30 he decides to throw a bullet which he might have picked up at the range through his window    .......plausable?

Yup these posts are old.....doesn't the range call a cease fire every half hour to check and set targets?  So at around 9:30 he decides to throw a bullet which he might have picked up at the range through his window    .......plausable?

I think they call cease fire normally at about 20 after the hour and again at 50 after -- give or take a couple of minutes.  Somehow, 22 minutes is ringing a bell.  Gives them 8-10 minutes for everyone to do what they need to and be back behind the infamous yellow line.

When the clubs are having competitions, after they finish a round, a cease fire is usually called.  It felt once like a cease fire was called every 10-12 minutes on pistol side.  Also, if there is just one person shooting, they rarely bother calling a cease fire.  You just go down range to your target as much or little as needed.  With one shooter, no need to make an announcement.

Short answer: ordinarily, but it's not carved in stone.  If going with the regular schedule, 9:30 would be the commencement of shooting after the 9:20-ish cease fire.

This thread IS old.

Brings back memories….like when FlappJackson was Darmok and Jalad @ Tanagra.
I guess Xhe now identifies as Flapp.