https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/09/28/cell-phone-tracking-n62750

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One of the biggest issues with cell phone tracking is the cell records can place you in a location long before any search warrant for surveillance is issued.  So, even if the law requires a warrant for Cops to track you, if the warrant allows access to the service provider's records, they can still obtain the past location information.

It's like a time machine, where the Cops can go back in time to where you were before the search warrant was issued.  That's inherently wrong.  If probable cause and suspicion sufficient for a warrant didn't exist at that past time, then gathering surveillance records from that time are off limits.

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You think the Cops today are using PRE-COGS to arrest people BEFORE they commit a crime?

Completely opposite scenario from reality.  Nothing new from you, though.

The issue is having access to PAST location information PRIOR TO getting a warrant, not arresting people BEFORE they even go to that location.

 

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People who can't think beyond their own limited knowledge shouldn't attempt thinking about time travel or pre-crime.  It might cause a stroke.   

Article needs more detail about what type of tracking they are talking about. There are different ways a phone could be tracked from cell phone tower based location data, GPS based location data shared with apple/Google, etc. Some tracking ability is definitely important, this needs a nuance solution.

Article needs more detail about what type of tracking they are talking about. There are different ways a phone could be tracked from cell phone tower based location data, GPS based location data shared with apple/Google, etc. Some tracking ability is definitely important, this needs a nuance solution.

The concern isn't about other types of tracking that you mentioned.  It's about the Fog.

The concern isn't about other types of tracking that you mentioned.  It's about the Fog.

I looked a little deeper to clarify and if the program works the way I understand, the problem really isn't the government, it is private industry that scoops up our data.

When we carry our electronic devices around they all "see" each other. For example, the wifi at Starbucks sees your cell phone even if you don't connect to the wifi router and it puts that little tidbit into a log. It doesn't know that it is CMO's phone per say, it just sees a phone with ID number ABC123. When all this is compiled with all the sources out there they can tell that phone with ID # ABC123 frequents Starbucks, Costco, and Macy's. Thes companies scoop all these little bits of data on the logs, compile it, and then sell it to other businesses which then can put targeted ads in front of you or study shopping habits. This data can also help fight crime as well so a company buys the data and makes a program that makes the data useful for law enforcement. The police aren't getting anything exclusive, they are just accessing the same data that is already publicly sold. On top of that they still need to do a search warrant to find out who owns the phone with ID # ABC123.

I heard of a really interesting case of a serial rapist where they used this technology to catch the suspect and it was very impressive but a little scary as well. It doesn't really appear to be a violation of the 4th amendment though because it is information already legally put out in the consumer sphere.