Biofire announced possibly the first practical, biometrically secured smart gun (Read 2111 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Only $1499 MSRP!   :thumbsup: :rofl:

Must own either righthand or lefthand version.

States it works with face covering OR gloves worn, but I don't think it works if you wear both. 
Uses fingerprint and/or facial recognition to operate, so at least one biometric must be "observable" to work.

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Biofire has just announced what may be the world’s first practical,
biometrically secured smart gun.


As long as the concept has been floating around, it’s no surprise that a company is
finally bringing one to market. The company is Biofire, and the product appears to
be the world’s first truly practical and commercially available smart gun. While smart
guns from science fiction typically do things like auto-lock onto targets, here in reality,
the new Biofire Smart Gun is simply protected by biometrics.
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The company has, however, already released a statement declaring its opposition to
mandates such as the New Jersey law and its support for private ownership and
freedom of choice.
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The system is also protected by “solid state, encrypted electronic fire control technology”
to prevent tampering and is the first handgun to utilize “fire-by-wire” technology typically
only used on fighter jets and missiles. Further, Biofire claims that the system can work
even if the user is wearing a face covering or gloves. The pistol itself is 9mm, striker-fired
and feeds from 10- or 15-round magazines.
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The standard variant of the Biofire Smart Gun is slated to begin shipping in Q2 of 2024
and will have an MSRP of $1,499. Preorders are currently open and the guns can be
ordered in either left- or right-handed configurations and in several color combinations.
https://gundigest.com/handguns/personal-defense/biofire-smart-gun-review

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

I'll bet CA is funding them.  Wait till they or someone else requries this on ALL guns.

If no anti 2a is funding them, then they're just assholes for creating this.

QUIETShooter

How does this gun fit into the reality that there are millions and millions of "regular" firearms in the country.

How does this gun make things safer all around. 

It doesn't.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

How does this gun fit into the reality that there are millions and millions of "regular" firearms in the country.

How does this gun make things safer all around. 

It doesn't.

As with all tech, it only sells if there are use cases (real applications) for them.

This thing realistically has one viable use case: home defense gun storage.  The owner and adult residents might have their biometrics stored in the gun, but kids, thieves and other unauthorized users would not be able to use it.  That assumes there are no methods of defeating either of the 2 biometric functions -- face and fingerprint.

There is another use case that people naturally think of.  Whether it's for open/concealed carry for non-LEOs, or as duty sidearms for LEOs, losing control of your weapon can mean it gets used on you without biometric security.  However, there are situations when you don't want biometrics enabled, like a Cop hands his partner a backup piece because the partner's gun malfunctioned or isn't in his possession.  There may come a time when the pistol needs to have all safeties disabled.  Without that feature, it will be difficult to trust your life to it.

Then there's the range practice scenario.  What happens when your family member or friend goes shooting with you but doesn't have a firearm?  Are you going to go through the process of adding their biometrics into your guns' system just for an hour or so at the range?  What if it's a group situation with everyone trying each other's firearms?  In that environment, biometric security makes no sense.  You'd want to remove everyone's biometrics from all your range guns when you return home if you want to keep them secure, too.

Some downsides are a matter of convenience, some are about dependability in a critical situation, and some are simply limitations caused by the design which don't exist without the security system.

As I said before, i'll think about trying these new technologies once police departments have tried them out for a few years.  Otherwise, i could see a regular pistol for carry, and a BIOFIRE pistol for quick access in my home.

One thing that worries my is the potentially false sense of security these things create in people.  If you "know" the gun is safe because of the biometrics, what happens when you hand the gun to someone just asking to check it out -- and the safety system fails?  Would you have given them the pistol without that security system?  Would they have handled the gun more carefully if they knew it was not being made safe by technology?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

iirc, there are one or more states that require biometrics to be on guns for sale in the state once commercially available
gonna have to google it later this weekend...

How does this gun fit into the reality that there are millions and millions of "regular" firearms in the country.

How does this gun make things safer all around. 

It doesn't.

Flapp_Jackson

iirc, there are one or more states that require biometrics to be on guns for sale in the state once commercially available
gonna have to google it later this weekend...

Watch the video.  He says very early into it that the NJ law which everyone cites (P.L. 2002 c.130 Childproof Handgun Law) was repealed in 2019.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Childproof_Handgun_Law

No other states have succeeded in passing similar mandates.

FROM THE VIDEO:


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

mahalo

Watch the video.  He says very early into it that the NJ law which everyone cites (P.L. 2002 c.130 Childproof Handgun Law) was repealed in 2019.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Childproof_Handgun_Law

No other states have succeeded in passing similar mandates.

FROM THE VIDEO:


Flapp_Jackson

iirc, there are one or more states that require biometrics to be on guns for sale in the state once commercially available
gonna have to google it later this weekend...
mahalo

You're welcome.  Now you have time to watch the video since you don't need to spend time Googling. 

The 23 minute video from BIOFIRE is worth the time.  It answers most common questions people are going to ask.

 :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

heads

You're welcome.  Now you have time to watch the video since you don't need to spend time Googling. 

The 23 minute video from BIOFIRE is worth the time.  It answers most common questions people are going to ask.

 :geekdanc:

QUIETShooter

As with all tech, it only sells if there are use cases (real applications) for them.

This thing realistically has one viable use case: home defense gun storage.  The owner and adult residents might have their biometrics stored in the gun, but kids, thieves and other unauthorized users would not be able to use it.  That assumes there are no methods of defeating either of the 2 biometric functions -- face and fingerprint.

There is another use case that people naturally think of.  Whether it's for open/concealed carry for non-LEOs, or as duty sidearms for LEOs, losing control of your weapon can mean it gets used on you without biometric security.  However, there are situations when you don't want biometrics enabled, like a Cop hands his partner a backup piece because the partner's gun malfunctioned or isn't in his possession.  There may come a time when the pistol needs to have all safeties disabled.  Without that feature, it will be difficult to trust your life to it.

Then there's the range practice scenario.  What happens when your family member or friend goes shooting with you but doesn't have a firearm?  Are you going to go through the process of adding their biometrics into your guns' system just for an hour or so at the range?  What if it's a group situation with everyone trying each other's firearms?  In that environment, biometric security makes no sense.  You'd want to remove everyone's biometrics from all your range guns when you return home if you want to keep them secure, too.

Some downsides are a matter of convenience, some are about dependability in a critical situation, and some are simply limitations caused by the design which don't exist without the security system.

As I said before, i'll think about trying these new technologies once police departments have tried them out for a few years.  Otherwise, i could see a regular pistol for carry, and a BIOFIRE pistol for quick access in my home.

One thing that worries my is the potentially false sense of security these things create in people.  If you "know" the gun is safe because of the biometrics, what happens when you hand the gun to someone just asking to check it out -- and the safety system fails?  Would you have given them the pistol without that security system?  Would they have handled the gun more carefully if they knew it was not being made safe by technology?

Thanks for bringing up some good points, especially the home defense scenario.  I should read more into this subject instead of just shooting off my mouth, lol!

I was thinking because there are millions of conventional firearms out there, unless the government confiscates every single one of them (and I think that's impossible) overall gun safety (as far as a firearm getting into the hands of the wrong person albeit a child, adolescent, or criminal) is not going to happen.

Firearm education in my opinion is up there as the best way to combat accidents and prevent criminals gaining access to firearms.  And this new biometric firearm will definitely help the effort.

But as a solution for gun safety and a replacement of conventional firearms?  I don't think so.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Thanks for bringing up some good points, especially the home defense scenario.  I should read more into this subject instead of just shooting off my mouth, lol!

I was thinking because there are millions of conventional firearms out there, unless the government confiscates every single one of them (and I think that's impossible) overall gun safety (as far as a firearm getting into the hands of the wrong person albeit a child, adolescent, or criminal) is not going to happen.

Firearm education in my opinion is up there as the best way to combat accidents and prevent criminals gaining access to firearms.  And this new biometric firearm will definitely help the effort.

But as a solution for gun safety and a replacement of conventional firearms?  I don't think so.

Even the repealed NJ law, they only required new gun sold to be smart guns.  The way they changed the law in 2019 now reads when smart guns enter the mainstream market, dealers will be required to stock at least one "sample" of each available make/model.  The intent is to mandate that gun stored provide the option to customers to try and initiate a gradual adoption of the technologies.

So far, nobody is requiring that all pistols be smart guns.  Although, once the tech is wrung out and adopted, I can foresee someone mandating owners either use this or have safe storage for handguns where kids are present.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Watch the video.  He says very early into it that the NJ law which everyone cites (P.L. 2002 c.130 Childproof Handgun Law) was repealed in 2019.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Childproof_Handgun_Law

No other states have succeeded in passing similar mandates.

FROM THE VIDEO:



Thanks for the info. CA still has the micro stamping law on the books and is in effect once the tech is available. Judge Dredd Stallone film bullet casing stuff.

Flapp_Jackson

Thanks for the info. CA still has the micro stamping law on the books and is in effect once the tech is available. Judge Dredd Stallone film bullet casing stuff.

CA has 3 "legs" to their approved firearm list law (California Unsafe Handgun Act):

1.  Loaded Chamber Flag (sliver of metal indicates when there's a round chambered),

2.  Magazine disconnect (No mag inserted = no trigger pull), and

3.  Microstamping

The microstamping mandate has been shot down in court because no gun maker offers that feature.  The entire law allowing the state to decide which guns are safe to sell in the state has been ruled unconstitutional based on Bruen, and the judge issued a stay on March 20 against enforcing the law.  The state had 14 days to appeal, which they filed on March 27.  That's when the Judge issued a stay of his previous order which now allows the state to continue enforcing the law while the appeal moves forward. 

Now it's up to the 9th Circus to decide on the constitutionality question.

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=49444.msg448894#msg448894

https://www.courthousenews.com/stay-of-block-on-california-handgun-rules-remains-pending-appeal/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kalikikopa

if it works twice as reliably as the fingerprint and face recognition on my iphone, I'm a dean man.

Kalikikopa

Thanks for the info. CA still has the micro stamping law on the books and is in effect once the tech is available. Judge Dredd Stallone film bullet casing stuff.

Microstamping is a disaster waiting to happen.
Again we believe that a criminal would be willing to use a firearm in the commission of a crime, but wouldn't do anything illegal like filing the firing pin.

It would force every gun owner to make sure they recover EVERY shell their firearm discharges, the destroy them in such a way that they can never be dropped at a scene of a shooting. Melting them down is the only way I can think of.

Would seriously effect reloading because no one would want to give away a microstamped shell. Too much liability.
 

Flapp_Jackson

Microstamping is a disaster waiting to happen.
Again we believe that a criminal would be willing to use a firearm in the commission of a crime, but wouldn't do anything illegal like filing the firing pin.

It would force every gun owner to make sure they recover EVERY shell their firearm discharges, the destroy them in such a way that they can never be dropped at a scene of a shooting. Melting them down is the only way I can think of.

Would seriously effect reloading because no one would want to give away a microstamped shell. Too much liability.

#1 flaw in the microstamping idea is the assumption that people use guns they bought themselves to commit crimes.  Most career criminals steal their crime guns, buy them on the black market, and/or borrow them from "associates" (i.e. gang members).  Tracing the shells might lead to the original owner, but it'll get cold from there.  Of course, we know these "common sense gun laws" are only intended to punish legal gun owners.  The career criminals don't participate in the system as it's been devised.

Another thing is, if someone wanted to commit a murder with their gun, replacing the firing pin on a semi-auto isn't as difficult as it might be on a revolver for a novice.  Unless they control firing pins like receivers and NFA items, a simple replacement with an unetched version would thwart the system. 

No reason to file it down and get caught with an "illegal" gun in CA.  Just go to the range and pick up a bunch of spent casings of the same caliber.  Then throw a bag full of cartridges around the crime scene.  Investigators will just add your name to the list of people whose spent casings were collected at the range and left by the killer as a smoke screen.  They suspect one of you might be the killer, but the microstampings may all be bogus -- because the killer used a 9mm revolver!!   :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw