Bye bye free speech? (Read 6176 times)

macsak

Re: Bye bye free speech?
« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2023, 04:00:23 PM »
#noteverythingisaboutyou

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The ordinance states either a fine, jail time, or community service, or a combo of these.  So not only can they revoke said application or remove bldg, but see penalties with regard to "knowingly" making a false statement.  So we circle back the city saying "how did they not know? All the documents show X sq/ft, but the applicant filled in Y sq/ft on the app" . On how far would they go to make an example of someone. I doubt they will have anything else showing the applicant knowingly made a false statement. 

Same goes with after the fact. App had X sq/ft, but plans and building has Y sq/ft.  How will the city prove this wasn't a mistake, but intentional?  The answer to both is that they can't prove anything short of a recording or book written by the applicant. So this bill is geared at some other area.

I hope I'm wrong, but again, I don't trust the 2 introduces of the bill who is Waters and Tam.  This will look to screw gun owners.  Chief will deny CCW apps for what he thinks is an intentional false statement, but strike a deal with the CCW applicant. "I tell you what, the city wont pursue charges for this, but you have to wait 1 year before you can apply for a CCW again". Whether they get their guns confiscated later is another story as the new state law now allows 20 years of loss of 2a right for a misdemeanor for a gun related crime.

BRB, buying more tin foil.

changemyoil66

Re: Bye bye free speech?
« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2023, 07:27:21 PM »
#noteverythingisaboutyou

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Bumbai u gonna see

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ren

Re: Bye bye free speech?
« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2023, 08:09:02 PM »
Bumbai u gonna see

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changemyoil66

Re: Bye bye free speech?
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2023, 12:03:46 PM »
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2023/07/12/hawaii-news/city-suspends-another-reviewer-who-cleared-monster-home-plans/?fbclid=IwAR3NahcOzd0GjO_W5Fe5--aAKgwZsGazyA5uHRk3gwEECkxNV3dt1PdWc_4

Council voted 8 aye. Tupola was absent. Augie and Okimoto aye with reservations.

Everyone who testifed was concerned about false prosecution.

Tam says he introduced this bill because the permits say 1 thing, but when inspectors go on site, they find something else being built. He said "It's a waste of their time" with regard to this.  He also said there are a few repeat offenders who do this.  So why doesn't the BPP just deny these peoples permits?  And it is the inspectors job to go on site as well.  IMO, Tam/Waters want this as vague as possible so they can use it for other stuff.

1 testifier runs a building social media page and is concerned about the part about "inciting a false statement". She said what if someone mistook what she post on social media.

Okimoto was concerned this is too broad/vague.
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hvybarrels

Re: Bye bye free speech?
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2023, 08:18:29 PM »
Yeesh. Like using an RPG for a flyswatter
Is an armadillo just a tactical opossum?

changemyoil66

Re: Bye bye free speech?
« Reply #45 on: July 14, 2023, 08:37:36 AM »
Yeesh. Like using an RPG for a flyswatter

My friend who's wife was going thru chemo said that's what it's like.  Instead of trying other less harmful methods first. His quote was "you're not only killing the cancer, but everything else as well and the hope is the cancer dies before other stuff."  His wife did pull thru and is OK for now, but the quality of life during the process  was bad.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Bye bye free speech?
« Reply #46 on: July 14, 2023, 11:14:56 AM »
My friend who's wife was going thru chemo said that's what it's like.  Instead of trying other less harmful methods first. His quote was "you're not only killing the cancer, but everything else as well and the hope is the cancer dies before other stuff."  His wife did pull thru and is OK for now, but the quality of life during the process  was bad.

Cancer isn't just a "thing" you can treat.  It invades one of more of your tissues -- liver, pancreas, lungs, breasts, brain, lymph nodes, stomach, colon, ...  it's an equal opportunity disease that's glad to spread itself wherever it can.

Chemo isn't just a more harmful method.  It's most often the only method left to stop cancer that's gone beyond a certain stage of migration.  By treating the entire body, you hopefully remove the cancer cells which allows healthy cells to regenerate and replace them. That does take time, but unless it's caught early and able to be removed surgically in a limited area, chemo can either stop the cancer completely or at least slow it down enough to give you more time on Earth.

Whether that time is something you'd welcome given the agony you may be in is another topic.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw