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oldfart

Kids make rules for adults?
« on: June 21, 2024, 01:11:32 AM »
Teens and preteens are making policy that affects everyone but are immune from consequences  because they are kids? Help me understand how this works. What am I missing?
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Hawaii settles with young climate activists who sued over transportation policies 

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/06/21/hawaii-announces-settlement-with-young-climate-activists-who-sued-over-transportation-policies/
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ren

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2024, 07:44:50 AM »




#immadoctorofpanderingtowhoeverwillgrantmepower

The governor announced the settlement at a news conference Thursday.

“The only way we will improve our environment is by working together,” Gov. Josh Green said.

“As a father, I often think about the world we’re leaving for our kids. We are the most isolated land mass on the planet. We’re celebrating the settlement today. It’s groundbreaking.”

next thing you know the youths will sue to lower the drinking age, change standards for high school graduation, make vehicles driveable for 5 year olds, legal to divorce your parents etc.
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changemyoil66

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2024, 07:53:19 AM »
14 assholes.

I remember the cell phone ban while driving was started by a kid.  Who doesnt even drive yet.  I'm sure now he's like "wtf did I do".
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astroboy

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2024, 07:55:32 AM »
An adult nightmare.


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oldfart

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2024, 10:00:54 AM »
There was an episode of star trek where kids ruled the city.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2024, 10:16:31 AM »
Quote from: oldfart on June 21, 2024, 10:00:54 AM
There was an episode of star trek where kids ruled the city.

Miri.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0394905/

They were all kids -- but very old kids.

Experiments performed by the inhabitants to prolong life resulted in a disease which killed all of the adults.

The children also died when they reached puberty, but the children lived for a very long time before puberty. 

When a person reached puberty, they would age rapidly from that point and quickly die after becoming mad and violent. 

The story had the Enterprise crew become infected once they arrived on the planet, and they only had 7 days to find a cure before they would all die.

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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2024, 10:27:36 AM »
The settlement is a waste of taxpayer money.  Whether the money was paid as in a traditional settlement to the plaintiffs, or used to create a "youth council" and forced projects to "develop a “holistic road map” to transform the state’s transportation system to achieve net-negative emissions by 2045," it costs money.  That doesn't even include the lawyers' fees.

How a judge even allowed this lawsuit to go forward at all is puzzling.  That assumes, of course, the governor didn't jump the gun and settle before they havd a chance to have the action dismissed as frivolous.

I guess the new precedent is, if your governor doesn't do what you want, then sue.  Screw democracy.  Lawfare is the new political lobbying tool.
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QUIETShooter

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2024, 10:33:35 AM »
Children suing when they are not even tax-paying citizens yet. 

They need to extend their stupid lawsuit settlement to the year 3000.  In 2045 we still going be struggling to finish the fricken rail.

The one no-one rides.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2024, 10:37:54 AM »
Quote from: QUIETShooter on June 21, 2024, 10:33:35 AM
Children suing when they are not even tax-paying citizens yet. 

They need to extend their stupid lawsuit settlement to the year 3000.  In 2045 we still going be struggling to finish the fricken rail.

The one no-one rides.

i'm wondering if this would not have been tossed based on lack of standing. 

Can't sue an entire state over something like climate change.  There's no scientific causation that the adult residents of Hawaii actually cause climate change.

Contribute to it, maybe, but they'd get better solutions suing China and other nations producing way more carbon emissions.

I think this was nothing but a virtue signaling opportunity for the Governor.  Kneeling before the alter of Climate Change is good for a few progressive points.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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astroboy

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2024, 11:16:19 AM »
A movie about this idiocy should be called Children of the Banana Patch because our
state is a true banana republic.
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changemyoil66

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2024, 01:35:58 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on June 21, 2024, 10:27:36 AM
The settlement is a waste of taxpayer money.  Whether the money was paid as in a traditional settlement to the plaintiffs, or used to create a "youth council" and forced projects to "develop a “holistic road map” to transform the state’s transportation system to achieve net-negative emissions by 2045," it costs money.  That doesn't even include the lawyers' fees.

How a judge even allowed this lawsuit to go forward at all is puzzling.  That assumes, of course, the governor didn't jump the gun and settle before they havd a chance to have the action dismissed as frivolous.

I guess the new precedent is, if your governor doesn't do what you want, then sue.  Screw democracy.  Lawfare is the new political lobbying tool.

THe youth council will need adult supervison. Guess who's going to get paid to do that...Greens friends.
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ren

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2024, 02:17:04 PM »
https://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Main/ID/41146/More-Taxes-and-Fewer-Lanes-Green-DoT-Eco-Lawyers-Sue-and-Settle-Scheme

News release from Office of the Governor, June 20, 2024 (With reality-inducing notes in parenthesis.)

HONOLULU  ̶  Governor Josh Green, M.D., today joined youth plaintiffs in announcing the resolution of the Navahine v. Hawaiʻi Department of Transportation constitutional climate case. The settlement agreement, which the court has approved, acknowledges the constitutional rights of Hawaiʻi’s youth to a life-sustaining climate and confirms the commitment by HDOT to plan and implement transformative changes of Hawaiʻi’s transportation system to achieve the state’s goal of net-negative emissions by 2045.

“The passion demonstrated by these young people in advocating for a healthy, sustainable future for their generation and those to come, is laudable,” said Governor  Green. “This settlement informs how we as a state can best move forward to achieve life-sustaining goals and further, we can surely expect to see these and other youth in Hawaiʻi continue to step up to build the type of future they desire.”

Navahine v. Hawaiʻi Department of Transportation is the world’s first youth-led constitutional climate case seeking to address climate pollution from the transportation sector. Thirteen youth from across the Hawaiian Islands brought the case in June 2022, asserting their rights to a safe and healthy climate and asking the Hawaiʻi state government to take action to meet the climate emergency and enable Hawaiʻi’s paradigm shift to a climate-safe, zero-emissions transportation system. Many of the Navahine plaintiffs are Native Hawaiian youth who are already experiencing climate change harms to their well-being and their ability to perpetuate cultural practices.

(IQ Test: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.")

The settlement of Navahine is also the first settlement agreement of its kind, in which state government entities have decided to work with youth plaintiffs to address concerns regarding constitutional issues arising from climate change, and commit to implementing specific plans and programs designed to decarbonize a state transportation system and reduce greenhouse gas pollution and fossil fuel dependence. In this case, Director of Transportation Ed Sniffen took unprecedented leadership to negotiate a resolution and embrace the government’s kuleana (responsibility) to lead the way on bold and broad climate action.

DoT Leadership: Naming Names: Airports Division Ran Late-Night Parties Where Hawaii Politicians Raked In Money

“Climate change is indisputable,” said Sniffen. “Burying our heads in the sand and making it the next generation’s problem is not pono. In our agreement with Our Children’s Trust and Earthjustice we’re committing to develop and use greenhouse gas emission measurements and reductions in vehicle miles traveled when we develop ground transportation projects and look for ways to translate that to our Airports and Harbors projects.”

(TRANSLATIONS: 'Reduce vehicle miles' = Raise taxes.  'Look for' = Do nothing about airplanes spewing jet exhaust.)

All parties to the agreement herald a collaborative path forward. “Today’s settlement shows that the state and HDOT are truly committed to transformative action to reduce our transportation emissions before it’s too late. This new partnership puts climate action in the fast lane towards a more just and equitable future,” said Leinā‘ala Ley, an attorney with Earthjustice and co-counsel representing Navahine and her 12 fellow youth plaintiffs.

Of the settlement agreement, the lead plaintiff in the lawsuit, Navahine F., said, “I am so proud of all the hard work to get us to this historic moment. We got what we came for, and we got it faster than we expected. Mai kuhihewa young people have the power to make a difference for their futures,” she said.

(REALITY: They are more likely to move to Las Vegas because of this settlement.)

Plaintiff Rylee Brooke K. added, “Being heard and moving forward in unity with the state to combat climate change is incredibly gratifying, and empowering. This partnership marks a pivotal step towards preserving Hawaiʻi for future generations — one that will have a ripple effect on the world. I hope our case inspires youth to always use their voices to hold leaders accountable for the future they will inherit.”

Hawai‘i State Environmental Court Judge John Tonaki formally accepted the settlement this morning, which means the trial that was scheduled to begin on Monday will not proceed.

(CLUE: It was never intended to proceed.  This 'sue and settle' scheme is designed to impose policy bypassing the courts and the democratic process.)

“Our courts are essential guardians of young peoples’ constitutional rights and empowered to protect the planet, but they rely on our collective engagement. The thirteen youth Plaintiffs in Navahine v. Hawaiʻi Department of Transportation activated the courts and achieved the first Settlement Agreement in a constitutional climate case, paving the way for systemic decarbonization of transportation. This historic Agreement offers a holistic roadmap for states and countries to follow around the world,” said Andrea Rodgers, deputy director for U.S. Strategy at Our Children’s Trust and co-counsel for the Navahine plaintiffs.

(IQ Test: Can you find even one emissions free car in Hawaii?)

The agreement sets forth a framework that further confirms Hawaiʻi’s position as one of the leading states in the nation in moving from a transportation system that depends on fossil fuels to a cleaner, and safer system that supports a transition to vehicles that run on clean electricity or alternative fuels and gives people more choices to get around by walking, cycling/scootering, and riding public transit. This framework offers an exemplary and replicable model for decarbonizing transportation systems around the U.S., and the world.

(TRANSLATION: Higher taxes, fewer lanes.)

The agreement also includes numerous provisions for immediate and ongoing action steps by HDOT. These include, for example:

    Establishing a Greenhouse Gas Reduction Plan within one year of the agreement, laying the foundation and roadmap to decarbonize Hawaiʻi’s transportation system within the next 20 years.
    Creating a lead unit and responsible positions within HDOT to coordinate the mission of GHG reduction throughout the agency; oversee climate change mitigation and adaptation for the highways program; and ensure implementation of the Complete Streets policy of building and upgrading public highways for all users, ages, and abilities.
    Establishing a volunteer youth council to advise on HDOT mitigation and adaptation commitments in the years to come.
    Improving the state transportation infrastructure budgeting process to prioritize reduction of GHG and vehicles miles traveled (VMT) and transparently analyze and disclose the GHG and VMT impacts of each project and the overall program.
    Making immediate, ambitious investments in clean transportation infrastructure, including completing the pedestrian, bicycle, and transit networks in five years, and dedicating a minimum of $40 million to expanding the public electric vehicle charging network by 2030.

(CLUE: E-cars in Hawaii are NOT emissions free.  Three Words: 'Moving the Smokestack'.)

The parties agreed the court will maintain continuing jurisdiction over their agreement for purposes of resolving any disputes relating to the implementation of the agreement.

Photos from todayʻs event, courtesy Office of the Governor, will be uploaded here; a replay of the news conference is available here.
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QUIETShooter

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2024, 07:45:07 AM »
Gosh, Hawaii is so in lock-step with the progressive left's doctrine.

Gosh that Josh.  And all of his cohorts running this banana republik.

Gosh that Josh.  Should be the sole mantra that describes this madness.
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astroboy

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2024, 08:34:42 AM »
The state never stops trying to raise our cost of living while lowering our standard of living and the IQ of the people.
Elon stated that we will have to double the amount of electricity production in order to have an EV conversion.
HECO can barely manage our current power production/distribution.
HE has also modified the PV credit/incentives downward. I suspect they will later target the PV owners who have
been grandfathered under the old agreements.



 
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astroboy

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2024, 08:39:22 AM »
Dan has another great episode on the green agenda.


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astroboy

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2024, 12:28:28 PM »
In spite of heroic efforts to stop/contain the fire at least 22 employees lost their lives.
Current EV battery technology is not ready for safe and affordable use.


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changemyoil66

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2024, 01:51:17 PM »
Quote from: astroboy on June 22, 2024, 08:34:42 AM
The state never stops trying to raise our cost of living while lowering our standard of living and the IQ of the people.
Elon stated that we will have to double the amount of electricity production in order to have an EV conversion.
HECO can barely manage our current power production/distribution.
HE has also modified the PV credit/incentives downward. I suspect they will later target the PV owners who have
been grandfathered under the old agreements.

Don't forget that good ole Kermitt shut down the coal plant, that produced 20% of our states energy BEFORE he was able to find somewhere else to fill in the gap.
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QUIETShooter

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2024, 05:58:01 PM »
And the stupid leadership in hawaii continues......

And HECO continues to play games.
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astroboy

Re: Kids make rules for adults?
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2024, 07:32:12 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on June 25, 2024, 01:51:17 PM
Don't forget that good ole Kermitt shut down the coal plant, that produced 20% of our states energy BEFORE he was able to find somewhere else to fill in the gap.

That is right. It was also the cheapest source of electricity, but we can't have cheaper energy because
the state believes it is more important to have a DEI agenda. Neva mind that our economy sucks. 
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