biden's other move in ukraine war... (Read 597 times)

macsak

biden's other move in ukraine war...
« on: November 21, 2024, 12:18:18 PM »
lost in the atacm-s mess is the announcement that the US is allowing anti-personnel mines in ukraine
this is a HUGE change...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: biden's other move in ukraine war...
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2024, 01:01:31 PM »
lost in the atacm-s mess is the announcement that the US is allowing anti-personnel mines in ukraine
this is a HUGE change...

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The official said the devices require battery power to detonate – once the
battery runs out after a period of up to two weeks, they will become "inert"
– unlike land mines Russia has used in eastern Ukraine. Ukraine will only
use the weapons defensively on its own territory, and the U.S. will seek
commitment from Ukraine to limit civilian risk, according to the official.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/11/20/ukraine-land-mines-russia-war-biden/76447009007/

Whose design was this?  Is there a battery replacement schedule?  Whose job is it to follow a map and hope the batteries are really dead before they try to replace them?  Who has the contract for replacement batteries?

So, Russia watches to see where the mines are being placed  -- alternatively sends out drones with detection equipment to locate the mined areas.  They then wait 2 weeks, invade, steal the mines, then put them somewhere else with solar-rechargeable batteries.

What could possibly go wrong?

 :wacko:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: biden's other move in ukraine war...
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2024, 01:43:10 PM »
1 major issue with landmines is that it cannot ID friend, foe, or non-combatant.

How I hope these are designed as not that the batteries used are only good for 2 weeks, but instead uses a full battery.  But the unit uses so much energy that it drains the battery or excess battery power is drained as a 2 week timer is up. I have XP with a brand new bought battery from a store and it only lasted a few months in my RDS.  So I assume any batteries the military has, some are not at full charge since they're sitting in a warehouse for a while.

Maybe the government is  saying 2 weeks,but it can be set longer. So the Russians wait 2 weeks then attack and boom. Mines still good.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: biden's other move in ukraine war...
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2024, 01:55:04 PM »
1 major issue with landmines is that it cannot ID friend, foe, or non-combatant.

How I hope these are designed as not that the batteries used are only good for 2 weeks, but instead uses a full battery.  But the unit uses so much energy that it drains the battery or excess battery power is drained as a 2 week timer is up. I have XP with a brand new bought battery from a store and it only lasted a few months in my RDS.  So I assume any batteries the military has, some are not at full charge since they're sitting in a warehouse for a while.

Maybe the government is  saying 2 weeks,but it can be set longer. So the Russians wait 2 weeks then attack and boom. Mines still good.

My problem with the battery-centric safety feature is that, as you eluded to, not all batteries are created equal.  Some might last a few days longer and others a few days shorter.  Temperature can affect battery life. The article says they can tell the mines when to arm and when to go into autonomous mode.  is that a preset before being placed, or a remote signal to change settings?

Sounds like these 'smarter' mines are going to be susceptible to hacking.  And if the settings can be changed remotely, what happens when comms are down at the moment they need to have the mines arm or disarm?  What happens if the other side figures out how to program them against you?

I really need to research these things.  Today is the first I ever heard of them. 

Mines are booby traps, meaning they are indiscriminate killers.  Ukrainian, Russian, American, Military, civilian, human, animal, .... Unless a human is able to see the target and manually trigger detonation, it's a booby trap.  That's why civilians are victims of AP mines disproportionately compared to military.



The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw