#immadoctor says RFK has no experience... (Read 16911 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: #immadoctor says RFK has no experience...
« Reply #100 on: March 24, 2025, 05:39:14 PM »
You still believe there is always a one-size-fits-all process for every case in every discussion.

A chemical additive is totally different from a new  fruit variety.  The chemical composition of the fruit can be documented using a mass spectrometer or other means.  If the composition is the same as other fruits, then there's no difference -- so extensive testing is not needed.  Adding a chemical dye or flavoring can react to other chemicals, so the testing is more critical for safety.

You missed the point. The point was that there is a disparity in the way we look at food things. Much of the health conscious crowd is all into buzzword issues with flavors, GMO, preservatives, dyes, seed oils, synthetic, etc. and that is what gets the extra attention.

You can grow a tomato on a tobacco plant, no GMO needed yet you can end up with a tomato with a dangerous amount of nicotine in the tomatoes. People have selectively bred marijuana plants with higher and higher levels of THC for example.
Traditional methods of growing can result in dangerous foods as well but we don't question those the way we do with the more high tech food additives.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: #immadoctor says RFK has no experience...
« Reply #101 on: March 24, 2025, 06:32:25 PM »
You missed the point. The point was that there is a disparity in the way we look at food things. Much of the health conscious crowd is all into buzzword issues with flavors, GMO, preservatives, dyes, seed oils, synthetic, etc. and that is what gets the extra attention.

You can grow a tomato on a tobacco plant, no GMO needed yet you can end up with a tomato with a dangerous amount of nicotine in the tomatoes. People have selectively bred marijuana plants with higher and higher levels of THC for example.
Traditional methods of growing can result in dangerous foods as well but we don't question those the way we do with the more high tech food additives.

You're giving examples of crossbreeding plants, not altering a single plant's genetic blueprint in a laboratory.  Changing a gnome of a plant to make it more disease resistant or able to grow in arid climates targets a specific trait.  Trying to grow tomatoes on a tobacco plant makes  absolutely mo sense, which is why your hypotheticals always suck.  you go way out in left field for an example that has no basis in reality.

https://royalsociety.org/news-resources/projects/gm-plants/what-is-gm-and-how-is-it-done/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: #immadoctor says RFK has no experience...
« Reply #102 on: March 24, 2025, 11:19:39 PM »
You're giving examples of crossbreeding plants, not altering a single plant's genetic blueprint in a laboratory.  Changing a gnome of a plant to make it more disease resistant or able to grow in arid climates targets a specific trait.  Trying to grow tomatoes on a tobacco plant makes  absolutely mo sense, which is why your hypotheticals always suck.  you go way out in left field for an example that has no basis in reality.

https://royalsociety.org/news-resources/projects/gm-plants/what-is-gm-and-how-is-it-done/

I didn't give you any hypotheticals I mentioned actual cases of modifications to plants. Maybe you should have looked up a tomacco plant before putting your foot in your mouth.

You talk of altering a gnome in a lab as if it is somehow vastly different than selective breeding or cross pollination which shows you don't seem to understand the chemistry. Changing a gnome in a lab is faster than selective breeding but in the end you are doing the same thing, getting a plant with a higher yield or a disease resistance.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: #immadoctor says RFK has no experience...
« Reply #103 on: March 24, 2025, 11:26:49 PM »
I didn't give you any hypotheticals I mentioned actual cases of modifications to plants. Maybe you should have looked up a tomacco plant before putting your foot in your mouth.

You talk of altering a gnome in a lab as if it is somehow vastly different than selective breeding or cross pollination which shows you don't seem to understand the chemistry. Changing a gnome in a lab is faster than selective breeding but in the end you are doing the same thing, getting a plant with a higher yield or a disease resistance.

It's not chemistry, Brainiac.  It's biology.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: #immadoctor says RFK has no experience...
« Reply #104 on: March 24, 2025, 11:32:33 PM »
It's not chemistry, Brainiac.  It's biology.

Food additives and changing food are biology and chemistry. I hope you have a better rebuttal than that next reply.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: #immadoctor says RFK has no experience...
« Reply #105 on: March 24, 2025, 11:35:29 PM »
Food additives and changing food are biology and chemistry. I hope you have a better rebuttal than that next reply.

That's not what you posted:

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You talk of altering a gnome in a lab as if it is somehow vastly different than selective breeding or cross pollination which shows you don't seem to understand the chemistry.

Try again, Brainiac.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: #immadoctor says RFK has no experience...
« Reply #106 on: March 25, 2025, 09:36:23 AM »
Wholes Foods sells cotton candy flavored grapes. I googled how it's done as I'm not a GMO (in a lab) fan. It's 2 different grapes gross bred, so more natural than "in a lab".