Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs? (Read 18483 times)

GZire

Re: Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs?
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2013, 12:33:08 PM »
See again this is where the whole semantics thing comes into play they are infact standard issue for military and LE but they weren’t always the first AR platform magazines mass produced were 20 rounders the magazines for the prototype testing were only 10 rounders. They started producing 30 rounders because people were running out of ammunition in Vietnam shooting on full auto and needed a higher capacity magazine so they would carry fewer magazines with the same or more ammunition. So technically they are considered High caps for now Military and LE I don’t agree with that but I understand the shops policy based on that

I understand your point, but I don't agree with it.  It's like saying a bolt action gun with a 4 round (internal or not) is a high capacity rifle because it holds more than a single round as the rifle had been originally designed as a single shot.  Fact of the matter is the great majority of what is out there today is 30 rounds therefore standard capacity.

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Re: Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs?
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2013, 02:56:54 PM »
Unless there is some body of experts or some organization with the authority to mandate standards, then the standards you speak of are actually set by the industry.

Case in point:  how many times have you bought a car without A/C?  How about ugly tire rims with hub caps?  Over time, the auto industry has made A/C and alloy rimmed tires standard.  They used to be options you paid extra for.

As far as firearms and magazines go, the Army can set their standards, the AF can have a different one, and LE can have something else.  These standards are independent of the civilian (commercial) market.

So, unless someone creates a state level, national level, or worldwide level standards board for firearms manufacturing, the industry will continue to set the standards based on cost, demand, and legal restrictions.

Between 1994-2004, we saw restrictions on AW and HiCap Mags, which did nothing to the rate of gun violence.  Therefore, the gov't allowed the AWB to expire.  Those types of government restrictions impacted the standards the manufacturers could set for themselves for that period.  It had nothing to do with military, LE or civilian demand, nor was it based on practical funtionality.  They adopted a set of standards for Mil/LE, and a second set of standards for civilian products, conforming to the new firearms law.

My point is, standards can exist for a variety of reasons, and they can change suddenly and frequently.  Getting caught up on the phrase "standard capacity magazine" as an argument is tenuous, since the industry standard will change to 10 rounds for all civilians if the law requires it.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2013, 03:03:27 PM by moosed »
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stangzilla

Re: Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs?
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2013, 03:29:41 PM »
I think the question was answered and this is the vendors section. But what do I know.  :crazy:

agreed.
SEC does not sell those mags to civilians.
end of discussion.   :shaka:

xer 21

Re: Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs?
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2013, 10:42:32 PM »
the point of this thread was?

its not like you can change SEC's mind.

TeamMidori

Re: Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs?
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2013, 11:19:54 PM »
Hehe

Kingkeoni

Re: Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs?
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2013, 03:32:32 AM »
 :closed:
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Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

Buzz

Re: Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs?
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2013, 08:20:14 AM »
"Mom, how come he gets to have candy??  I want candy too."
Fucking crybabies I swear.

SEC, delete, block, or destroy this thread.

bass monkey

Re: Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs?
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2013, 08:46:08 AM »
the op-s original post had been edited before anyone had a chance to post responses. 
I should have quoted the post, but it went something like, his friend purchased a AR and they swapped the mag to a 10 rounder and he wanted to know why, then he edited the post to ask about 30 rounders.

I agree though, this post should be locked or deleted.  Make a thread in general discussion or do a search if you want to know about 30 rounders here in hawaii.  Everyone was so excited to have SEC here, and seems like all they getting is grief in this thread, dont chase them away.

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Jess

Re: Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs?
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2013, 10:53:59 AM »
I'm in the Army.  as of May of last year the US Army is no longer to using Pmags or any other polymer mags.  Ok got it, some (a lot) were issued to soldiers but since then we cannot use polymer issued or not.  are soldiers still using them? probably, not many people enforcing the Army policy.

IMO some politician lost money in his stocks on the traditional USGI mags.  hence the ban.... :shaka:

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/05/25/in-reversal-army-bans-high-performance-rifle-mags.html

aieahound

Re: Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs?
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2013, 06:27:30 PM »
agreed.
SEC does not sell those mags to civilians.
end of discussion.   :shaka:

the point of this thread was?

its not like you can change SEC's mind.

:closed:



macsak

Re: Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs?
« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2013, 06:43:52 PM »
i think that SEC handled themselves well here
they explained their policy, and then stayed out of the conversation
i give them credit for proceeding in that manner
in a past life, i was a mod on several (inter)national car boards
so i look at a lot of posts from the viewpoint of a moderator
when i saw the OP, i thought "this could be a train wreck"
but then i thought, "this will be a good way to judge how SEC will conduct themselves"
i thought they did a great job of not getting defensive (or offensive)
and i greatly respect them for doing so

the op-s original post had been edited before anyone had a chance to post responses. 
I should have quoted the post, but it went something like, his friend purchased a AR and they swapped the mag to a 10 rounder and he wanted to know why, then he edited the post to ask about 30 rounders.

I agree though, this post should be locked or deleted.  Make a thread in general discussion or do a search if you want to know about 30 rounders here in hawaii.  Everyone was so excited to have SEC here, and seems like all they getting is grief in this thread, dont chase them away.

 :closed:

Kingkeoni

Re: Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs?
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2013, 06:52:25 PM »
i think that SEC handled themselves well here
they explained their policy, and then stayed out of the conversation
i give them credit for proceeding in that manner
in a past life, i was a mod on several (inter)national car boards
so i look at a lot of posts from the viewpoint of a moderator
when i saw the OP, i thought "this could be a train wreck"
but then i thought, "this will be a good way to judge how SEC will conduct themselves"
i thought they did a great job of not getting defensive (or offensive)
and i greatly respect them for doing so

The SEC crew are good guys (and gals).   :thumbsup:
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

Teichi

Re: Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs?
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2013, 06:57:16 PM »
The SEC crew are good guys (and gals).   :thumbsup:
+1 And I like Janey

SECHAWAII

Re: Do you offer AR 30 rounders to non LEOs?
« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2013, 10:57:06 PM »
I hope everyone was able to voice their opinion. 


I'm closing this topic now.

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