Not really, but I didn't see that as a problem. My pet was not an expensive animal. If it had been another dog, or a parrot (the most expensive animals I can think of) then maybe it would have been a little different.

I liked my pet a lot, but nothing can replace him, so there's nothing really for me to do now. I think that most dogs would have tried to kill my pet in that situation, even nice ones. It just happens that this particular dog is also large and dangerous to people. A lot of large dogs are nice, and a lot of small dogs are mean. A pitbull for example doesn't bother me that much because pitbulls are only medium size. If I had to I could probably kill one with my bare hands.

Actually, these same neighbors have always kept one large dog over the last 20 years or so. If I remember correctly, this is their 3rd one. Their first one was very nice and died of old age. Their second one was just like this one. He escaped one day and probably tried to kill someone. However, the person killed the dog by kicking it in the nose. Must have been a pretty capable person. No one ever found out who it was.

Shux this is a good post... I would do things that I can't mention here.. No one, absolutely no one threatens the OHANA!!

I dunno about the rest of you, but my dogs are members of my family.  If someone shot one of my dogs I'd be looking for swift and vengeful retribution (granted, my dogs are well trained and docile animals).  While yes you or your family members may be frightened by the animal, are you warranted in taking it's life? 

Moreover, is someone who doesn't take the time and responsibility to train their dogs to keep it from jumping fences and potentially attacking people, the type of person who could see the rationality of why their dog was killed, or would they be seeking vengance against you and your family?  Is a neighbor with a vendeta who knows when you'll be home and when your family will be vulnerable, more dangerous than a big dog that jumps a fence?  All things to conside before using a firearm to "solve" this problem. 

Thats true Antithesis, plus every situation is different.. In a situation where my human family is in danger from a force that does not stop by a loud clear command must be stopped by another means.. Even if my own dog bites or attacks my family or someone elses family it will be put down.. Human life is more important to me.. That is just my opinion I guess.. Don't mean to offend any other dog owners.. I'm mature enough to not go out and kill a pet for no reason, thats just not right... Depends on the situation...The health and welfare of my wife and children are all I have....Peace

With all due respect to those who have pets that are integrated deeply into their family, they are still pets.  Pets are not worth the safety of a human being.  With regards to what should be used........anything that will quickly stop the threat including firearms.  Same argument used to stop a human that is threatening my friends, family, myself. 

It is easy to make an argument of what should have been after the fact, but if you are in the moment and the pet has to die, then so be it.  It is the responsibility of the pet owner to control their pet, not yours to instantly understand what that pet's intent is.

Here is a story from today's paper about an attack at the K-Bay sandbar:

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20110623__Dogattack_victim_undergoes_surgery.html

Dog-attack victim undergoes surgery
By Rosemarie Bernardo
POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Jun 23, 2011

A woman remained in a hospital after surgery Tuesday night to repair deep cuts from an unprovoked attack at the Kaneohe sandbar by a bull mastiff that weighs as much as she does.

The victim, a veteran crew member of the Dreamer Yacht Charters, suffered deep lacerations behind her ear, on the back of her neck and on top of her head from the attack by the 130-pound dog.

"She is still traumatized," said Rob Mathews, operations manager of Dreamer.

The woman, described as 5 feet 4 inches tall and 130 pounds, was in stable condition and is recovering, he said. She is expected to remain at the hospital for the next three days. Mathews said doctors are concerned about infections that might develop from the bite wounds.

The state Department of Land and Natural Resources is continuing an investigation of the attack at the sandbar, which falls under state jurisdiction. Spokeswoman Deborah Ward said the dog was released to its owner after the attack because the state doesn't have rules relating to dangerous dogs.

The Hawaiian Humane Society could not impound the dog because the attack occurred outside its jurisdiction. If a serious dog attack occurred on land on Oahu, the Humane Society, in general, would have the authority to impound the animal, said Keoni Vaughn, the society's director of operations.

Under Honolulu's dangerous-dog ordinance, violators face a fine of $500 to $2,000 and a maximum jail term of 30 days. The owner also could be mandated to pay restitution to the victim of medical expenses and financial loss.

The ordinance applies to dogs that have a history of attacks. If the dog has no history of attacks, the offense would be downgraded to an animal nuisance dog bite where the owner can face a fine of $50 to $1,000 and up to six months' probation.

Vaughn said the Humane Society issued the owner a warning Tuesday to document the attack.

Tuesday afternoon, the victim was setting an anchor when the dog from a recreational boat 100 yards away jumped on her and dragged her underwater, Mathews said. The captain of the chartered yacht grabbed a bullhorn to alert the dog owner and jumped into the water to help the victim, he said.

The owner responded as soon as he realized what was going on, Mathews said. "If it happened to a child, the results would've been completely catastrophic," said Mathews, noting that he sees children at the sandbar every day.

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Spokeswoman Deborah Ward said the dog was released to its owner after the attack because the state doesn't have rules relating to dangerous dogs.


Under Honolulu's dangerous-dog ordinance, violators face a fine of $500 to $2,000 and a maximum jail term of 30 days. The owner also could be mandated to pay restitution to the victim of medical expenses and financial loss

So which is it? Is there a law or isn't there? 

Quote from: GZire on June 23, 2011, 11:20:50 AM

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Spokeswoman Deborah Ward said the dog was released to its owner after the attack because the state doesn't have rules relating to dangerous dogs.


Under Honolulu's dangerous-dog ordinance, violators face a fine of $500 to $2,000 and a maximum jail term of 30 days. The owner also could be mandated to pay restitution to the victim of medical expenses and financial loss

So which is it? Is there a law or isn't there? 

State of Hawaii does not currently have laws related with "dangerous dogs". C&C of Honolulu does (hence the fine and jail term). Because the attack happened on the Sand Bar, the new reporter is saything that it falls under State jurisdiction rather than C&C of Honolulu. Hence Humane Society did not take the dog into custody because of the attack. Personally, I think the owner of the animal is deffinently in hot kim chee for the dog's actions. They may not be getting a criminal charge, but I'm pretty sure they'll be liable for any and all associated medical costs for this woman...

Quote from: vooduchikn on June 23, 2011, 01:14:08 PM

Quote from: GZire on June 23, 2011, 11:20:50 AM

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Spokeswoman Deborah Ward said the dog was released to its owner after the attack because the state doesn't have rules relating to dangerous dogs.


Under Honolulu's dangerous-dog ordinance, violators face a fine of $500 to $2,000 and a maximum jail term of 30 days. The owner also could be mandated to pay restitution to the victim of medical expenses and financial loss

So which is it? Is there a law or isn't there? 

State of Hawaii does not currently have laws related with "dangerous dogs". C&C of Honolulu does (hence the fine and jail term). Because the attack happened on the Sand Bar, the new reporter is saything that it falls under State jurisdiction rather than C&C of Honolulu. Hence Humane Society did not take the dog into custody because of the attack. Personally, I think the owner of the animal is deffinently in hot kim chee for the dog's actions. They may not be getting a criminal charge, but I'm pretty sure they'll be liable for any and all associated medical costs for this woman...

I would fully expect to get sued if I were that dogs owner.

Totally agree Vood. They (the owners) should be thankful the dog didn't attack some toddler or little kid (as little kids are often times at the Sand Bar). If that 130 lbs dog had gotten a hold of a child, things would have ended up far worse...

You could certainly bust their butts in civil court.  I can't think of any jury that wouldn't give them a judgement for failing to leash their pet.

I dunno about the rest of you, but my dogs are members of my family.  If someone shot one of my dogs I'd be looking for swift and vengeful retribution (granted, my dogs are well trained and docile animals).  While yes you or your family members may be frightened by the animal, are you warranted in taking it's life? 

Moreover, is someone who doesn't take the time and responsibility to train their dogs to keep it from jumping fences and potentially attacking people, the type of person who could see the rationality of why their dog was killed, or would they be seeking vengance against you and your family?  Is a neighbor with a vendeta who knows when you'll be home and when your family will be vulnerable, more dangerous than a big dog that jumps a fence?  All things to conside before using a firearm to "solve" this problem. 

Anti, 

I have pups too, and yes they are a part of my family.  That is the reason I was so enraged.  When an other dog, that could easily damage my little dogs, enters my property, I'm gonna side with suspicion and caution.  You can bet that the strange mutt is the one that will be going down first.

It is the same as if a 250 lb burglar entered my home.  I'm not going to wait till he does some dastardly deed before I take some kind of action, if at all possible.  Am I wrong?

Quote from: Antithesis on June 23, 2011, 03:28:43 AM

I dunno about the rest of you, but my dogs are members of my family.  If someone shot one of my dogs I'd be looking for swift and vengeful retribution (granted, my dogs are well trained and docile animals).  While yes you or your family members may be frightened by the animal, are you warranted in taking it's life? 

Moreover, is someone who doesn't take the time and responsibility to train their dogs to keep it from jumping fences and potentially attacking people, the type of person who could see the rationality of why their dog was killed, or would they be seeking vengance against you and your family?  Is a neighbor with a vendeta who knows when you'll be home and when your family will be vulnerable, more dangerous than a big dog that jumps a fence?  All things to conside before using a firearm to "solve" this problem. 

Anti, 

I have pups too, and yes they are a part of my family.  That is the reason I was so enraged.  When an other dog, that could easily damage my little dogs, enters my property, I'm gonna side with suspicion and caution.  You can bet that the strange mutt is the one that will be going down first.

It is the same as if a 250 lb burglar entered my home.  I'm not going to wait till he does some dastardly deed before I take some kind of action, if at all possible.  Am I wrong?

Hey? Why does the burglar have to be 250 pounds?
Don't you know you're more likely to be robbed by a 120 pound meth head?

Quote from: Heavies on June 24, 2011, 12:04:23 AM

Quote from: Antithesis on June 23, 2011, 03:28:43 AM

I dunno about the rest of you, but my dogs are members of my family.  If someone shot one of my dogs I'd be looking for swift and vengeful retribution (granted, my dogs are well trained and docile animals).  While yes you or your family members may be frightened by the animal, are you warranted in taking it's life? 

Moreover, is someone who doesn't take the time and responsibility to train their dogs to keep it from jumping fences and potentially attacking people, the type of person who could see the rationality of why their dog was killed, or would they be seeking vengance against you and your family?  Is a neighbor with a vendeta who knows when you'll be home and when your family will be vulnerable, more dangerous than a big dog that jumps a fence?  All things to conside before using a firearm to "solve" this problem. 

Anti, 

I have pups too, and yes they are a part of my family.  That is the reason I was so enraged.  When an other dog, that could easily damage my little dogs, enters my property, I'm gonna side with suspicion and caution.  You can bet that the strange mutt is the one that will be going down first.

It is the same as if a 250 lb burglar entered my home.  I'm not going to wait till he does some dastardly deed before I take some kind of action, if at all possible.  Am I wrong?

Hey? Why does the burglar have to be 250 pounds?
Don't you know you're more likely to be robbed by a 120 pound meth head?

This!

I also heard on 690AM that the state will be banning alcohol at the Sandbar for the 4th and possibly on future holidays. They made mention of the dog attack. Glad to see that dogs will not be getting hammered at the sand bar....

Well in Hawaii you have to be reasonably certain your life is in danger to justifiably use a firearm against another human being, so being 250 pounds versus 120 pounds would be relevant. Not saying it should be, just that it is.

Well in Hawaii you have to be reasonably certain your life is in danger to justifiably use a firearm against another human being, so being 250 pounds versus 120 pounds would be relevant. Not saying it should be, just that it is.

Source?

Quote from: vooduchikn on June 23, 2011, 01:14:08 PM

Quote from: GZire on June 23, 2011, 11:20:50 AM

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Spokeswoman Deborah Ward said the dog was released to its owner after the attack because the state doesn't have rules relating to dangerous dogs.


Under Honolulu's dangerous-dog ordinance, violators face a fine of $500 to $2,000 and a maximum jail term of 30 days. The owner also could be mandated to pay restitution to the victim of medical expenses and financial loss

So which is it? Is there a law or isn't there? 

State of Hawaii does not currently have laws related with "dangerous dogs". C&C of Honolulu does (hence the fine and jail term). Because the attack happened on the Sand Bar, the new reporter is saything that it falls under State jurisdiction rather than C&C of Honolulu. Hence Humane Society did not take the dog into custody because of the attack. Personally, I think the owner of the animal is deffinently in hot kim chee for the dog's actions. They may not be getting a criminal charge, but I'm pretty sure they'll be liable for any and all associated medical costs for this woman...

When the lawsuits start hitting I'll bet the State tries to worm out of this and say it's a Coast Guard matter.