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flaboy808

controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« on: July 21, 2011, 09:34:57 AM »
Sorry if this has been posted before... 



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Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2011, 10:26:44 AM »
Yeah this guy is off the hook.  I'm glad we really do have lots of good officers, and this is just a bad apple.
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Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2011, 10:58:01 AM »
Wow, and I'll find it amazing if the prosecutor decides to press charges. Seeing as the dash cam is pretty clear cut, I'd say the charges get thrown out. If I were William, I'd also see about pursuing criminal battery and terroristic threatening charges against this guy. Seeing as the "You know what I should have done.... is pull my Glock 40 and put 10 rounds in you for being stupid..." statement was way over the line.

Like FT said, one bad apple makes the entire department look like crap...

Edit*: Also forgot to mention the BS that his partner would stand behind his statement when he "executes" him (the CCW holder) for being "stupid".
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Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2011, 11:25:50 AM »
I'd have gotten shot for sure.  I simply wouldn't be able to keep up the "Yes, sir, officer.  Oh, officer, sir, I'm terribly sorry, sir." crap nearly as long as he did; I'd have been unable to resist running my mouth.  Oh, well.  They should convict that prick of some sort of felony and revoke his RKBA.  Haha, officer, who's not responsible enough to carry a gun NOW?
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Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2011, 04:13:20 PM »
Wow that's pretty crazy the way the officers reacted. I concur with everyone elses statements about the story.

One thing I'd like to do is take this from the side of the police officer. If you are a LEO, this is a great training video. Just think about it, it is everything that you aren't supposed to do. Stick your head in the car and search around while the driver is right there inches away from you? This could have gone a lot worse for the officer if the driver wasn't a licensed carrier and instead was some crumb. Sticking with what the officer did wrong, where is the consent for the search of the car? I'm sure there is more that the LEO did wrong. Good training video if you ask me.
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Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2011, 04:40:59 PM »
Quote from: 2aHawaii on July 21, 2011, 04:13:20 PM
Wow that's pretty crazy the way the officers reacted. I concur with everyone elses statements about the story.

One thing I'd like to do is take this from the side of the police officer. If you are a LEO, this is a great training video. Just think about it, it is everything that you aren't supposed to do. Stick your head in the car and search around while the driver is right there inches away from you? This could have gone a lot worse for the officer if the driver wasn't a licensed carrier and instead was some crumb. Sticking with what the officer did wrong, where is the consent for the search of the car? I'm sure there is more that the LEO did wrong. Good training video if you ask me.

I couldn't think of anything else then, "YOU DIDN'T CONTROL THE DRIVER!!!" when this guy hops his happy butt in the car.  I would have been good up to the point he started saying all that stupid stuff, then I would have been laughing.  "What are you laughing at?!" The officer would have asked, and my response would have been, "The check your going to be sending me in the mail."
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Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2011, 06:48:04 PM »
Wow that cop was really pissed. Someone with that temper should not be a LEO.      But for the cops sake that CCW holders friend's/Passengers did look pretty shady and was hanging with a known prostitute and some shady crack head that lied about his name.    I say that guy was up to no good hanging with those type of people.
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Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2011, 10:15:59 PM »
Quote from: AWS-GTAW on July 21, 2011, 06:48:04 PM
Wow that cop was really pissed. Someone with that temper should not be a LEO.      But for the cops sake that CCW holders friend's/Passengers did look pretty shady and was hanging with a known prostitute and some shady crack head that lied about his name.    I say that guy was up to no good hanging with those type of people.

Innocent until proven guilty? It's not what you think they were up to, it's what you can prove. The cops did such a poor job of controlling and investigating what was going on we'll never know what they were up to. That video should be used for training of how to do everything wrong.
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flaboy808

Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2011, 10:22:00 PM »
I'm just curious... if he was HPD and assuming the driver filed a complaint or whatever, is there a way to find out if there was an investigation?  If so, would the driver be notified of the outcome/punishment? 

What if we, the public, wanted to know if the officer got punished?  Would that be public information?



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vooduchikn

Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2011, 11:17:46 PM »
Well, I have several issues with the whole thing.

1. Why did they even stop?  They let the whole reason they stopped walk away.
2. No RAS
3. Illegal search of the vehicle, illegal search and seizure.
4. Abuse of civil rights aforementioned.
5. Promise of future retribution.
6. Piss poor control of every aspect of the situation
7. terroristic threatening


Retarded...on all aspect.

Any updates?
« Last Edit: July 21, 2011, 11:38:12 PM by vooduchikn »
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vooduchikn

Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2011, 11:19:18 PM »
Quote from: Funtimes on July 21, 2011, 10:26:44 AM
Yeah this guy is off the hook.  I'm glad we really do have lots of good officers, and this is just a bad apple.

Nope, it is just one branch on the rights violation "tree".  Lets hope this one gets pruned.
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Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2011, 11:25:58 PM »
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vooduchikn

Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2011, 11:35:25 PM »
Quote from: onfloat on July 21, 2011, 11:25:58 PM
Quote from: vooduchikn on July 21, 2011, 11:17:46 PM

Any updates?

http://www.cantonrep.com/carousel/x121489646/Canton-officer-under-investigation-after-concealed-carry-arrest

Thanks,

What a BS article though.

“We’re a very well-trained and well-rounded police department that has solid officers that can make good, solid decisions every day,” he said. “You can’t (take) one incident like this and make it like every (officer) is out of control.”

Nope, I can. A department is "one", and one bad apple is evidence that it is allowed. This guy has a reprimand from the past.

There were two officers at the scene. There are problems in the is PD, just like all. Time for a lawsuit. There should be no right to inform, especially when abiding by the law. Some folks shouldn't be LEO.
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vooduchikn

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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2011, 12:01:24 AM »
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Kingkeoni

Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2011, 12:19:14 AM »
 I honestly hope they throw the book at this punk.

I'm so tired of the abuse of power that goes on nationwide by these punks with badges.

I know that the majority of LEOs are doing the right thing but there are always these lying sacks of $#!t that abuse the power entrusted to them.

They concoct lies in order to take advantage of innocent people.  The advent of the dash cam is a great thing. It allows the world to see these punk cowards for who they are.

This poor excuse of a police officer deserves 10 years in prison for this. Let's see what he gets...

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Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2011, 12:35:04 AM »
Quote from: Kingkeoni on July 22, 2011, 12:19:14 AM
I honestly hope they throw the book at this punk.

I'm so tired of the abuse of power that goes on nationwide by these punks with badges.

I know that the majority of LEOs are doing the right thing but there are always these lying sacks of $#!t that abuse the power entrusted to them.

They concoct lies in order to take advantage of innocent people.  The advent of the dash cam is a great thing. It allows the world to see these punk cowards for who they are.

This poor excuse of a police officer deserves 10 years in prison for this. Let's see what he gets...

10 years? So he can get free food, medical, internet, and schooling? Nope. Straight fired and put out on the street so he can find work in a 9+% unemployment economy.

Going to prison for this guy would be great. Thumb checked or worse. Let him stand in line with the folks that want to work but can't get a job.
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nf9648

Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2011, 04:32:17 AM »
Looks like street time for somebody...
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Cougar8045

Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2011, 06:55:57 AM »
Quote from: vooduchikn on July 22, 2011, 12:35:04 AM
Quote from: Kingkeoni on July 22, 2011, 12:19:14 AM
I honestly hope they throw the book at this punk.

I'm so tired of the abuse of power that goes on nationwide by these punks with badges.

I know that the majority of LEOs are doing the right thing but there are always these lying sacks of $#!t that abuse the power entrusted to them.

They concoct lies in order to take advantage of innocent people.  The advent of the dash cam is a great thing. It allows the world to see these punk cowards for who they are.

This poor excuse of a police officer deserves 10 years in prison for this. Let's see what he gets...

10 years? So he can get free food, medical, internet, and schooling? Nope. Straight fired and put out on the street so he can find work in a 9+% unemployment economy.

Going to prison for this guy would be great. Thumb checked or worse. Let him stand in line with the folks that want to work but can't get a job.
Sorry, I'd send him up the river for a good long stint in the state pen.  Make sure everybody knew that he was not only a former cop, but such an @$$hole former cop that it landed him in prison.  I doubt he'd be able to collect on ten years' worth of food, medical, etc...
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HiCarry

Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2011, 12:43:21 PM »
Quote from: vooduchikn on July 21, 2011, 11:35:25 PM
Quote from: onfloat on July 21, 2011, 11:25:58 PM
Quote from: vooduchikn on July 21, 2011, 11:17:46 PM

Any updates?

http://www.cantonrep.com/carousel/x121489646/Canton-officer-under-investigation-after-concealed-carry-arrest

Thanks,

What a BS article though.

“We’re a very well-trained and well-rounded police department that has solid officers that can make good, solid decisions every day,” he said. “You can’t (take) one incident like this and make it like every (officer) is out of control.”

Nope, I can. A department is "one", and one bad apple is evidence that it is allowed. This guy has a reprimand from the past.

There were two officers at the scene. There are problems in the is PD, just like all. Time for a lawsuit. There should be no right to inform, especially when abiding by the law. Some folks shouldn't be LEO.

Wonder how well that argument would fly if "we" were trying to explain the bad conduct of a single citizen? It is increasingly evident that many LEOs have adopted an "Us versus them" attitude, especially when discussing concealed carry.
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Cougar8045

Re: controversial traffic stop in Ohio
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2011, 05:28:45 PM »
I thought the officer's choice of words were rather telling, "You're just a stupid human being!"  As opposed to the God-like nature of a Jen-yu-wine, gots-my-badge-and-my-gun, Off-a-sir of the Law.
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