Given that the person had an intent to take their own life - be it with a gun, jumping in front of a bus or from a bldg.; there is little a stranger can do.  Like most all crimes we can only pass so many laws.  The general population has to understand that.  Laws are not a mystical power from the likes of Xavier - laws are only good within the confines of a society that is willing to accept it. 
I'm sure the gun range will face some repurcussions from this event especially from the insurance company - but in reality there is nothing that the gun range could have done short of reading minds.  Isn't it ridiculous that tourists go to rent something that there is a chain attached to it?  I see those silly tri-wheeled mopeds and those things should have a boundary that prevents those things from leaving Waikiki.  I saw a tourist couple on H1 with it.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/127668418.html

Not only is a suicide extremely selfish (there are always people in your life that will be affected, no one can be a big enough ass hole that no one will care) but is also extremely selfish to do it in such manner that affects the people at the range at the time, the owners of the range, and the ignorant public perception of guns (omg look, if guns were illegal this poor lady would not have shot herself!!!!).

I got no sympathy for this woman. If you're such a coward that you want to end your life atleast have the decency to do it in a respectful manner.

i'd watch out. remember, karma's a bitch. mental illness is not something to be judgmental about.

Quote from: buckjay on August 14, 2011, 09:18:38 AM

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/127668418.html

Not only is a suicide extremely selfish (there are always people in your life that will be affected, no one can be a big enough ass hole that no one will care) but is also extremely selfish to do it in such manner that affects the people at the range at the time, the owners of the range, and the ignorant public perception of guns (omg look, if guns were illegal this poor lady would not have shot herself!!!!).

I got no sympathy for this woman. If you're such a coward that you want to end your life atleast have the decency to do it in a respectful manner.

i'd watch out. remember, karma's a bitch. mental illness is not something to be judgmental about.

I hear what you're saying Mokeanne.  I think I know how buckjay feels, though.  I tried not to make overtly negative comments about her, (I'm a recovering asshole, taking it day-by-day) but I'll admit that my first thought when I heard it was a suicide was, "For Pete's sakes, lady, did you really need to off yourself in PUBLIC with a RENTED GUN?!"  It's not kind, and it's certainly un-Christian of me, but I still can't help but feel a little resentful that someone killed herself in a manner that gives the gun grabbers more excuses to restrict our civil rights. 

Above and aside from all that, God rest her soul, I hope she found the peace she was looking for, and I really do feel bad for her family.  Does anyone know who she was?  Maybe we should take up a collection and at least get some flowers for the family or do something.

Condolensces to the family.

Maybe she tried to get a gun legally to "off" herself, but was turned down by HPD because of mental illness.  Maybe she wanted to do it in the woods by herself.  Maybe she thought a gunshot wound to the head wouldn't take too long and hurt less than hanging or slitting wrists.  Maybe she thought if she "borrowed" someone's gun that the owner will get in trouble.  We will never know.

Rest In Peace.

 

Quote from: buckjay on August 14, 2011, 09:18:38 AM

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/127668418.html

Not only is a suicide extremely selfish (there are always people in your life that will be affected, no one can be a big enough ass hole that no one will care) but is also extremely selfish to do it in such manner that affects the people at the range at the time, the owners of the range, and the ignorant public perception of guns (omg look, if guns were illegal this poor lady would not have shot herself!!!!).

I got no sympathy for this woman. If you're such a coward that you want to end your life atleast have the decency to do it in a respectful manner.

i'd watch out. remember, karma's a bitch. mental illness is not something to be judgmental about.

karma is only a bitch to those who believe in it.

Doing something like this in a public place is just wrong... I feel badly for her but cmon, in a public shooting range? Wow. I feel a whole lot worse for the people who had to witness this, the range itself, and of course, the friends/family that this person leaves to wonder. I have someone very close to me who's mother did this terrible act. This is NOT something that is forgiven or simply goes away - ever. This, and anyone even contemplating suicide, are definitively needing help because the act itself is only the beginning of the consequences!

Doing something like this in a public place is just wrong... I feel badly for her but cmon, in a public shooting range? Wow. I feel a whole lot worse for the people who had to witness this, the range itself, and of course, the friends/family that this person leaves to wonder. I have someone very close to me who's mother did this terrible act. This is NOT something that is forgiven or simply goes away - ever. This, and anyone even contemplating suicide, are definitively needing help because the act itself is only the beginning of the consequences!

This is not the first or the last time this has happened or will happen. You will not see a ton of media attention here because it could somehow hurt tourism. She was obviously a person who  felt she had no way out and ended her life in the most economic (and what she thought was the quickest) way she could figure out. Was it wrong on 27,000 levels? Yes. Will everyone associated with her and those at the range ever forget? No.

I for one am glad she did not take a different route and take out some bystanders before she decided to end her own life. Having been close to someone that has ended their own life, the only way to help these folks is to catch it early enough and get them some help. Even then, it doesn't always work.

I recommend we get passed this quickly and focus on issues that affects the living. Have you been watching the news? The UN wants our guns. Headline that here in the forums and see if it gets more posts....watching.

I was pretty much passed this by the time I read it on facebook .