Well, now, what happened to all those rivers of blood that opponents said would happen if CCW was allowed in bars and resturants? And, crime went down to boot.....Funny, Hawaii's top cops think none of Hawaii's citizens can handle the responsibilty of a CCW in general but Virginia's citizens not only are able to exhibit the extrodinary self-restraint that, according to the anti-gun talking heads, normally turns gun-carrying citizens into mass murders and road rage killers, but they can maintain that self-control in bars and resturants while carrying as well. Virginia citizens must be so much "better" than us in Hawaii. Right, Chief? Right, Mr. Kaneshiro? 

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2011/aug/14/tdmain01-gun-crime-drops-at-virginia-bars-and-rest-ar-1237278/

Well, now, what happened to all those rivers of blood that opponents said would happen if CCW was allowed in bars and resturants? And, crime went down to boot.....Funny, Hawaii's top cops think none of Hawaii's citizens can handle the responsibilty of a CCW in general but Virginia's citizens not only are able to exhibit the extrodinary self-restraint that, according to the anti-gun talking heads, normally turns gun-carrying citizens into mass murders and road rage killers, but they can maintain that self-control in bars and resturants while carrying as well. Virginia citizens must be so much "better" than us in Hawaii. Right, Chief? Right, Mr. Kaneshiro? 

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2011/aug/14/tdmain01-gun-crime-drops-at-virginia-bars-and-rest-ar-1237278/

You should post this on HPD  FB and see if you get the typical response...

I love seeing these things, although they're really pretty ho-hum.  It's sort of like seeing headlines proclaiming, "New Study Confirms Heliocentric Model of the Solar System".  Except that would only be a good analogy if there was a large portion of the population that honestly believed that the sun revolved around the earth.  How many times do guys like Kealoha need to see articles like this before they start to cotton on to the idea that lawful carrying of firearms prevents crime?

Quote from: HiCarry on August 15, 2011, 12:24:46 PM

Well, now, what happened to all those rivers of blood that opponents said would happen if CCW was allowed in bars and resturants? And, crime went down to boot.....Funny, Hawaii's top cops think none of Hawaii's citizens can handle the responsibilty of a CCW in general but Virginia's citizens not only are able to exhibit the extrodinary self-restraint that, according to the anti-gun talking heads, normally turns gun-carrying citizens into mass murders and road rage killers, but they can maintain that self-control in bars and resturants while carrying as well. Virginia citizens must be so much "better" than us in Hawaii. Right, Chief? Right, Mr. Kaneshiro? 

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2011/aug/14/tdmain01-gun-crime-drops-at-virginia-bars-and-rest-ar-1237278/

You should post this on HPD  FB and see if you get the typical response...

Don't you have to "friend" or "Like" them before you can post? I was watching the CSPAN debate put on by Students for concealed carry and then went to Collin Goddards Facebook page, just for kicks. Couldn't post as you had to "Like" the page first....seems like a good way to make sure the majority of comments support your view......

Quote from: vooduchikn on August 15, 2011, 01:36:57 PM

Quote from: HiCarry on August 15, 2011, 12:24:46 PM

Well, now, what happened to all those rivers of blood that opponents said would happen if CCW was allowed in bars and resturants? And, crime went down to boot.....Funny, Hawaii's top cops think none of Hawaii's citizens can handle the responsibilty of a CCW in general but Virginia's citizens not only are able to exhibit the extrodinary self-restraint that, according to the anti-gun talking heads, normally turns gun-carrying citizens into mass murders and road rage killers, but they can maintain that self-control in bars and resturants while carrying as well. Virginia citizens must be so much "better" than us in Hawaii. Right, Chief? Right, Mr. Kaneshiro? 

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2011/aug/14/tdmain01-gun-crime-drops-at-virginia-bars-and-rest-ar-1237278/

You should post this on HPD  FB and see if you get the typical response...

Don't you have to "friend" or "Like" them before you can post? I was watching the CSPAN debate put on by Students for concealed carry and then went to Collin Goddards Facebook page, just for kicks. Couldn't post as you had to "Like" the page first....seems like a good way to make sure the majority of comments support your view......

Not sure. I am FB weak....If it involves likeing it, then I dont...

I've sucked it up and liked it.  I'll take the hit and post it to their facebook.  (Incidentally, after 'liking' their page, I went through and 'liked' a bunch of their posts, just so I could back and have the satisfaction of 'un-liking' them.  haha)  Edited to reflect the fact that I'm not posting it, based on the fact that it would serve no purpose other than the satisfaction I would get from being a smart-ass.

Well, now, what happened to all those rivers of blood that opponents said would happen if CCW was allowed in bars and resturants? And, crime went down to boot.....Funny, Hawaii's top cops think none of Hawaii's citizens can handle the responsibilty of a CCW in general but Virginia's citizens not only are able to exhibit the extrodinary self-restraint that, according to the anti-gun talking heads, normally turns gun-carrying citizens into mass murders and road rage killers, but they can maintain that self-control in bars and resturants while carrying as well. Virginia citizens must be so much "better" than us in Hawaii. Right, Chief? Right, Mr. Kaneshiro? 

I dunno about anybody else, but I became a much better driver after I got my carry permit.

I used to be a real pr**k about other drivers' stupidities.  'Course, that habit came from learning to drive in New York City, where part of the driver's license test is how loud you can holler out the window and whether you can steer with your knees while both hands are busy saluting with one finger each.  Just as important as parallel parking, it is.

Seriously, I did lay off a lot of the things I used to do, like horn-blowing and giving them the brights when they've got their brights on --stuff like that.  Having a gun on my hip tended to moderate my behavior in other areas as well.

I became quite a bit more peaceable after I got that little card.  I really didn't want any "escalations" any more.

"Ah, ya mudder wears comba... a rather nice perfume, if I may say so."

Terry, 230RN

I dunno about anybody else, but I became a much better driver after I got my permit.

I used to be a real pr**k about other drivers' stupidities.  'Course, that habit came from learning to drive in New York City, where part of the driver's license test is how loud you can holler out the window and whether you can steer with your knees while both hands are busy saluting with one finger each.  Just as important as parallel parking, it is.

Seriously, I did lay off a lot of the things I used to do, like horn-blowing and giving them the brights when they've got their brights on --stuff like that.  Having a gun on my hip tended to moderate my behavior in other areas as well.

I became quite a bit more peaceable after I got that little card.  I really didn't want any "escalations" any more.

"Ah, ya mudder wears comba... a rather nice perfume, if I may say so."

Terry, 230RN

That's what people fail to comprehend: guys/gals who are lawfully carrying a weapon don't want to kill anyone, any more than a guy who carries a fire extinguisher hopes to find himself in a burning building.