SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards (Read 14281 times)

ren

SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« on: September 29, 2011, 01:47:54 PM »
Got a co worker who loves his SKS.  Said he can take on a POS AR @ 600 yards anyday. Invited him to our next match.
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kaneohegrown

Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2011, 03:44:14 PM »
I'd wager my money on any quality built 20" HBAR AR over a like made SKS in distance shooting. Under 300 yards, and then I might make it a toss up. But anything over 500 yards and I'm pulling on the AR for overall MOA accuracy...

But again just my view. USMC love of the ol' fashioned M-16 and all that...  ;)

Tom_G

Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2011, 04:22:41 PM »
Huh.  I am a huge fan of the SKS.  Love the gun, love the cartridge, consider it my mid-sized "go-to" gun.  And I would not waste the ammo on a 600 yard target.  The SKS, like the AK, is designed to work in extremely hostile conditions.  Which means generous clearances in action, chamber, barrel.  Which is the opposite of accurate. 

Now, against a POS AR, maybe he's got a chance.  It would have to be pretty S'y, though!
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GZire

Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2011, 04:38:39 PM »
I'll put my money on the better shooter with the pet handload.

Ren bring us pics when the competition has been completed.

Heavies

Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2011, 08:40:43 PM »
Might be spooky in the pits.  :o

Teichi

Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2011, 09:04:15 PM »
The next Puuloa Shoot is 22 October if we can get the stars to align properly. 23 Oct is the Garand Match.

crazy cat

Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2011, 06:54:16 AM »
A good SKS can be accurate enough (my dad has a Russian one that holds 1 1/2 MOA), but it's really hard to demonstrate that because the trigger is so bad.

houdni

Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2011, 07:26:00 PM »
Borrow a AR-10?

Teichi

Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2011, 10:10:16 PM »
For those that don't follow the NRA and CMP Service Rifle scene, the AR15A2  has been winning. It is the competition shooters that has been pushing the success of the .223 Remington and AR15/M16 combo to to outshine the M1A/M14-308 Win.

BananaClip

Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2011, 08:19:27 PM »
I absolutely LOVE the SKS! :love: I'd challenge an AR for fun but that's it ;D I have a Chicom and a Russian and I want, I mean "need" more  ::)
It's a cool and cheap rifle that can bang with the best, in the right hands... Both the AR and SKS in the the right hands? I'd have to go with the AR... :(
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Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2011, 09:00:48 PM »
Although it'll be years before I can scrape together enough funds to purchase an evil black rifle, I do enjoy pondering the pros and cons of each, and I've gone back and forth several times.  Shot KingKeoni's AK at the range, and man that thing was sweet.  But then I got home and read up on both, and I think I'll eventually be going with the AR when I make my purchase.  It's basically exactly what ren said in the OP; a good AK might match up well with a crappy AR.  I looked at some of the stuff that's out there online, and "minute of pie plate at 100yds" or "minute of bad guy at 300" just doesn't cut it for me.  If I had all the money in the world, I'd buy one of each, and maybe by the time I'm old and gray I will have done so; but my first EBR is definitely going to be an AR.  The accuracy is what I'm going to notice at the range or on the hunt, and in those situations, reliability isn't too critical.  If by some horrible twist of fate, I ended up in a real end-of-the-world, full on firefight with Nazi zombies or Russian paratroopers, I'll be trusting to the good Lord for plenty already, if He's going to get me through at all, I'm sure He'll have no problem making my rifle feed properly.
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ren

Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2011, 09:08:59 AM »
UPDATE: my co worker doesn't have his SKS here yet....
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Kingkeoni

Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2011, 10:38:05 AM »
I absolutely LOVE the SKS! :love: I'd challenge an AR for fun but that's it ;D I have a Chicom and a Russian and I want, I mean "need" more  ::)
It's a cool and cheap rifle that can bang with the best, in the right hands... Both the AR and SKS in the the right hands? I'd have to go with the AR... :(

Out to 100 yards, I'd challenge with my 10/22.

Loser sweeps up brass.  :D
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Heavies

Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2011, 11:37:10 AM »
I absolutely LOVE the SKS! :love: I'd challenge an AR for fun but that's it ;D I have a Chicom and a Russian and I want, I mean "need" more  ::)
It's a cool and cheap rifle that can bang with the best, in the right hands... Both the AR and SKS in the the right hands? I'd have to go with the AR... :(

Out to 100 yards, I'd challenge with my 10/22.

Loser sweeps up brass.  :D

Back, last year, I had a running monthly 'postal match' here on the forum. But due to lack of participation it kind of got shelved. Also, my variable work schedule kind of made it hard for me to keep up on it.
Now that there has been a increase of forum members, maybe we (someone) could start that up again.

Look them up in the Competition section.

GZire

Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2011, 01:20:50 PM »
UPDATE: my co worker doesn't have his SKS here yet....

Say what?  He hasn't even shot it and is talking trash?

Teichi

Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2011, 07:06:15 PM »
.22 Matches are 1st full Sundays of each month at the Koko Head Silhouette range.
High Power Rifle NRA and CMP Matches are the 2nd or 3rd Weekend of every month at Puuloa.
There is a NRA and CMP Pistol Match this weekend  at Koko Head hosted by the Chinese Gun Club

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Re: SKS vs. Ar @ 600 yards
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2011, 04:03:25 AM »
Maybe he conveniently doesn't have his SKS here yet :P
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