Why aren't you allowed more than 5 rounds?

It's just their safety rules.

I guess they don't want some crazy loading up a full magazine and blasting away. Better if they can only shoot 5 people?

I'm sure there are more reasons to it, but that is the only one I can think of off hand.

Another rule that would be nice if they did away with is their no "rapid-fire" rule. No more than one shot per second. I guess this helps to prevent squib -> ka-booms.

Note that every range inside Kokohead has different rules. 
The shotgun ranges only allow you to load 1 shell, unless you are shooting doubles, then you can load 2.
The state-run rifle and handgun ranges allow you to load 5.  There is an unwritten exception for Garand shooters, who can load 8.
The other ranges (silhouette and the 2 action ranges) are allowed to load 10.

Load restrictions aren't uncommon at public ranges.  It discourages wanton spraying and encourages marksmanship.  Personally, I am a fan of wanton spraying, but I appreciate hitting the occasional target as well.

If I had my way, though, everyone other than me would not be allowed to load ANY rounds while I was present.  Dry-firing only while Tom is around!  I am sick to death of people pointing loaded guns at me simply because they are STUPID (the people, not the guns).

Why aren't you allowed more than 5 rounds?

Maybe for the same reason you can't have targets that resemble a human, or why the closest handgun target is 25 yards....

Maybe for the same reason you can't have targets that resemble a human, or why the closest handgun target is 25 yards....

I don't know the reasons, could you explain why?

Maybe it's too tongue-in-cheek for us

I'm thinking that pistols are only to be used for target shooting, not self defense (offense).

Maybe for the same reason you can't have targets that resemble a human, or why the closest handgun target is 25 yards....

Now, HiCarry, you're over generalizing.  Human silhouettes are allowed for sports that require them.  25 yards is the minimum distance at the state run range and the HMSSA range.  The clubs who use the action bays regularly shoot targets closer.  Heck, the cowboys shoot steel human silhouettes at 8 yards!  And the various speed gunner competitions seem to have paper targets far closer than that. 

Yes, you do have to become involved in a particular club's activity to engage in such a style of shooting.  Still, it is possible, even at Kokohead!

Quote from: HiCarry on January 04, 2010, 05:10:02 PM

Maybe for the same reason you can't have targets that resemble a human, or why the closest handgun target is 25 yards....

Now, HiCarry, you're over generalizing.  Human silhouettes are allowed for sports that require them.  25 yards is the minimum distance at the state run range and the HMSSA range.  The clubs who use the action bays regularly shoot targets closer.  Heck, the cowboys shoot steel human silhouettes at 8 yards!  And the various speed gunner competitions seem to have paper targets far closer than that. 

Yes, you do have to become involved in a particular club's activity to engage in such a style of shooting.  Still, it is possible, even at Kokohead!

Yeah, I know....I was being facetious. While I know that you can technically shoot handguns at distances less than 25 yards, it irks me that you have to be part of a club or organized activity to do so. And, while I know I am preaching to the choir here, it seems that if the State were truely concerned about training our citizens for real life self-defense, it would allow them to practice, sans involvement in an organized activity, at distances that were closer to real life self-defense situations. OK, rant off.....

Honestly, I'm torn.

Again, based on the high and frequently recurring levels of stupidity I see displayed at the "public welcome" ranges, I find myself rethinking this whole 2A thing.  Honestly, when is the last time that you were on the rifle range and the rangemaster didn't have to yell at someone to stay away from the bench during a cease fire EVERY time they called a cease fire?  Or... well, never mind, we all have a nearly endless supply of stories that we've seen at Kokohead. 

I'm not sure that all of the rules they've adopted serve as a counter-influence to stupidity.  I do believe that some of them help.  But they help by reacting to symptoms, which is rarely the best way to go about it.

At the risk of sounding anti-2A, what's really needed is a screening process.  People who have demonstrated themselves to be safe and responsible gun owners should be allowed to behave as such.  Idiots who buy guns and don't treat them, or their fellow shooters, with the proper respect should be prohibited.  Rather than trying to make the line safe for stupid people, keep them off the line in the first place. 

Or maybe there could be a "kiddie range" where you are required to chain the muzzle of your gun to the bench, and only allowed to load one round every 5 minutes.  Then there would be incentive for folks to actually learn how to handle their guns safely and well. 

I know, I know... BOO!  Down with regulation!  2A means anyone can own anything!!  Sure, I agree... but that does NOT mean I want to share a firing line with you!

(All references to "you" and stupidity are, of course, not directed against any of the fine members of 2A!    )

Maybe it's too tongue-in-cheek for us

I'm thinking that pistols are only to be used for target shooting, not self defense (offense).

Actually, it was a feble attempt at pointed sarcasm...while I understand TomG's concerns, and agree that there are some folks who are less safe then they should be, I don't want to have to practice with my self-defense gun only while engaged in some type of club activity. There is no reason, in my opinion, why I cannot take my self-defense gun out to the public range and sight it in, and practice with it, at distances that more closely approximate actual self-defense ranges.

There is no reason, in my opinion, why I cannot take my self-defense gun out to the public range and sight it in, and practice with it, at distances that more closely approximate actual self-defense ranges.

Well, gee, if you want to be REASONABLE about things!   

Tom, in reply to your previous comment, I think you need to remember that liberty is freedom and doesn't always equate safety.

I am thankful that we have reasonably strict ROs that put people in their place when they make a mistake. I can only speak for the bullseye and rifle sides but they are quick to point out someone's mistakes and make them correct it. I don't know if they kick anyone off the range for making repeated mistakes but that would be a good idea.

Anyway, I am happy that we have a place where we can go and shoot. Sure, I would like it if we could do more there, but I am thankful that we have any place at all. I am also thankful that there are very few "accidents" there as well.

Quote from: HiCarry on January 06, 2010, 09:32:08 AM

There is no reason, in my opinion, why I cannot take my self-defense gun out to the public range and sight it in, and practice with it, at distances that more closely approximate actual self-defense ranges.

Well, gee, if you want to be REASONABLE about things!   

Me, reasonable? Nah, couldn't be.....I did grin at the mental picture of the "kiddie range" though....