So I have to renew my address but they refuse to let me put a PO Box on my updated ID. I had heard this before so I did some calling. Found a lady in the administrative side who confirmed that you could still put a PO Box, just that they didn't advertise it. So stupidly I forgot to take a name and when I went to a satellite city hall they refused. Now trying to retrace my steps and also looking for the actual text of the law that says only physical addresses are allowed. No luck on finding the text of the law but gonna do some more calling tomorrow.

Why won't they allow me some privacy? I will see how far I can go up the food chain on this one but irritated so far. I guess if nothing works maybe I will just put electrical tape over my address.

Huum... maybe just tell them you are homeless, and don't have a physical address?  Homeless people can have a license to drive, can't they? 


Address:

VAN down by the river
Waikiki, HI 96815

There are only 2 instances where you can use PO Box.  If you're in a shelter for abuse, or your residence is on a street without an assigned name for normal mail delivery.

I don't know who you think you called (apparently neither do you), but she was wrong.

http://hidot.hawaii.gov/hawaiis-legal-presence-law/

When I went to the DMV to change my license from Oahu to Big Island address, the clerk said they had to put the physical address even after I told her the PO does not deliver mail in our area.  No mail delivery is common for most rural areas of the Big Island.

So I have to renew my address but they refuse to let me put a PO Box on my updated ID. I had heard this before so I did some calling. Found a lady in the administrative side who confirmed that you could still put a PO Box, just that they didn't advertise it. So stupidly I forgot to take a name and when I went to a satellite city hall they refused. Now trying to retrace my steps and also looking for the actual text of the law that says only physical addresses are allowed. No luck on finding the text of the law but gonna do some more calling tomorrow.

Why won't they allow me some privacy? I will see how far I can go up the food chain on this one but irritated so far. I guess if nothing works maybe I will just put electrical tape over my address.

Are you serious?  You are getting all worked up because of having to provide your physical address? 

If you are genuinely concerned about your privacy, that you already have an online presence or foot print, you've put out there information that is potentially or even probably way more damaging than you physical address. 

This goes against the very fabric of being a sanctuary city.
How would you document the undocumented?
How would you give the undocumented the "right" to drive?

There are only 2 instances where you can use PO Box.  If you're in a shelter for abuse, or your residence is on a street without an assigned name for normal mail delivery.

I don't know who you think you called (apparently neither do you), but she was wrong.

http://hidot.hawaii.gov/hawaiis-legal-presence-law/

I saw that page already but cannot find what law it specifically references. So for now I have to keep digging. Maybe call my state rep?

Are you serious?  You are getting all worked up because of having to provide your physical address? 

If you are genuinely concerned about your privacy, that you already have an online presence or foot print, you've put out there information that is potentially or even probably way more damaging than you physical address.

Even if you list a PO Box they still have your home address on file. I am not worried about the government having access since they do either way. I am worried about someone finding out where I live when I have to show my ID for something. One concern is say someone steals my bag from me. They now know where I live, may have keys to my residence, and may know that i am not home right now. Prime burglar target. Same reason I don't keep my home address on my car registration.

Even if you list a PO Box they still have your home address on file. I am not worried about the government having access since they do either way. I am worried about someone finding out where I live when I have to show my ID for something. One concern is say someone steals my bag from me. They now know where I live, may have keys to my residence, and may know that i am not home right now. Prime burglar target. Same reason I don't keep my home address on my car registration.

I don't know what "bag" you're talking about, but most men carry their ID's on their person, either in an ID wallet or a regular wallet.

Perhaps when you go out on the weekends, you should use a hidden neck pouch for your ID and credit cards, and everything else can go in your purse. 

See your point, if it means that much to you, you could get a mailbox service (not usps) where it would allow you to use a street address.

See your point, if it means that much to you, you could get a mailbox service (not usps) where it would allow you to use a street address.

People in many states with similar paranoid feelings have tried using mailbox services and adding "Apt, Unit or #" for their box number to appear as a physical address.  If the licensing agency sees that your address is one of these businesses, they will send you a letter to have a physical address added to your license.

They will allow both a PO Box and physical address on the license if you like, but the physical address is required by law.

The military went to a CAC system for ID cards, which hides most private info, like social security number, on a digital chip.  Maybe one day state licensing offices will follow suit.

People in many states with similar paranoid feelings have tried using mailbox services and adding "Apt, Unit or #" for their box number to appear as a physical address.  If the licensing agency sees that your address is one of these businesses, they will send you a letter to have a physical address added to your license.

They will allow both a PO Box and physical address on the license if you like, but the physical address is required by law.

The military went to a CAC system for ID cards, which hides most private info, like social security number, on a digital chip.  Maybe one day state licensing offices will follow suit.

CAC is a joke, The chip on a CAC card is a sim chip same as used in a phone and these have been compromised for years. None of the information is secure and its not a secure system of data storage.

CAC is a joke, The chip on a CAC card is a sim chip same as used in a phone and these have been compromised for years. None of the information is secure and its not a secure system of data storage.

It's not meant to be uncrackable.  It's just a method of preventing casual access to your personal info.  You'd have to have a card reader, software, the 8-digit PIN and physical access to the card to get at the information.

If I'm not mistaken, too many attempts to access the chip with the wrong PIN locks it and it has to be reset by someone with higher permissions before anyone can get to the info.

It's not meant to be uncrackable.  It's just a method of preventing casual access to your personal info.  You'd have to have a card reader, software, the 8-digit PIN and physical access to the card to get at the information.

If I'm not mistaken, too many attempts to access the chip with the wrong PIN locks it and it has to be reset by someone with higher permissions before anyone can get to the info.

CAC has been compromised to self install a key stroke logger (and or virus) record pin entered for the card and self transmit that data. All you need to do is compromise a CAC or reader.

CAC is meant to be way more then a method to stop casual use of data. it's a key that unlocks computers that are meant to be secure.

CAC has been compromised to self install a key stroke logger (and or virus) record pin entered for the card and self transmit that data. All you need to do is compromise a CAC or reader.

CAC is meant to be way more then a method to stop casual use of data. it's a key that unlocks computers that are meant to be secure.

I know all about the PKI portion of the CAC for computer and network access.  The military is looking at alternatives that will stop their use of CAC for those purposes by using, among other things, biometrics (retinal scans, facial recognition, etc). 

I was addressing the use of a digital solution to satisfy the OP's concerns ... not getting into whether CAC is the best solution for all ID cards.

Even if you list a PO Box they still have your home address on file. I am not worried about the government having access since they do either way. I am worried about someone finding out where I live when I have to show my ID for something. One concern is say someone steals my bag from me. They now know where I live, may have keys to my residence, and may know that i am not home right now. Prime burglar target. Same reason I don't keep my home address on my car registration.

Ok.  Gotcha on that angle. 

Knowing what I know now about identity theft and such, I am always wary of that, but my information has been compromised to many times.  I just got a notice from an online vendor that I used to buy things from saying that my CC info may have been compromised by a recent hack.  Lots of that actually. 

Yeah, I can understand how one would want to protect information about where they live.  Then again, that information is put out there quite often.  Like I am having Sears repairmen come over to my dad's house this week to address a number of things and even simple things like that open you up for potential issues.  It's quite an everyday fact of life.  Am I concerned?  Yeah.  Do I lose sleep over it?  Not right now.  Haha. 

Never thought about address on car registration.  I am always wary about info like SSN and stuff like that though.  Remember how the old Hawaii drivers license used to have your SSN? 

I know all about the PKI portion of the CAC for computer and network access.  The military is looking at alternatives that will stop their use of CAC for those purposes by using, among other things, biometrics (retinal scans, facial recognition, etc). 

I was addressing the use of a digital solution to satisfy the OP's concerns ... not getting into whether CAC is the best solution for all ID cards.

We were told to use those shielded ID holders many years ago.  Many CC come with what looks like a copper foil sleeve to protect from proximity data readers. 

On a different topic, but don't hotel card keys have some sort of link to your personal information?  As in ties to what the hotel has, such as your CC info, address, etc?  I thought I read about that a while ago. 

Ok.  Gotcha on that angle. 

Knowing what I know now about identity theft and such, I am always wary of that, but my information has been compromised to many times.  I just got a notice from an online vendor that I used to buy things from saying that my CC info may have been compromised by a recent hack.  Lots of that actually. 

Yeah, I can understand how one would want to protect information about where they live.  Then again, that information is put out there quite often.  Like I am having Sears repairmen come over to my dad's house this week to address a number of things and even simple things like that open you up for potential issues.  It's quite an everyday fact of life.  Am I concerned?  Yeah.  Do I lose sleep over it?  Not right now.  Haha. 

Never thought about address on car registration.  I am always wary about info like SSN and stuff like that though.  Remember how the old Hawaii drivers license used to have your SSN?

When I was younger (early teens?) I was staying at home alone while my parents went out. My dad called saying that his car had been stolen and to be careful of anyone pulling up because it could be the thief since the registration said where we lived. It left a lasting impression.

Identity theft is another issue I didn't even consider but indeed is a concern.

I could also imagine some horror story. Lets say your young daughter had to show ID to purchase an item from the store and the clerk was a perv. Now he knows where she lives.