Military Personnel & Handguns (Read 8594 times)

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Military Personnel & Handguns
« on: April 21, 2017, 08:22:02 PM »
I believe the answer to this is "no", but wanted to ask in case I'm wrong.  Can someone who is in the military and qualified to shoot within the military apply for and purchase a handgun here without taking Hawaii's handgun course?

Also, if they happen to have a mainland hunter's ed class under their belt, does it transfer to Hawaii and can they therefore purchase a handgun without the class?

Thanks in advance!

macsak

Re: Military Personnel & Handguns
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2017, 08:24:46 PM »
I believe the answer to this is "no", but wanted to ask in case I'm wrong.  Can someone who is in the military and qualified to shoot within the military apply for and purchase a handgun here without taking Hawaii's handgun course?

Also, if they happen to have a mainland hunter's ed class under their belt, does it transfer to Hawaii and can they therefore purchase a handgun without the class?

Thanks in advance!

some mainland hunter's ed classes are ok
HPD should have a list

if you have a sympathetic command that is willing to write a notarized letter stating that you have received enough training to satisfy HRS 134, you are good to go

Influence

Re: Military Personnel & Handguns
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2017, 08:30:35 PM »
Thanks a lot macsak!

RSN172

Re: Military Personnel & Handguns
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2017, 05:26:33 AM »
Do the bases here allow personal weapons on base? My daughter lives at Nellis AFB and I was going to stay with her for a few days, until she told me they don't allow personal weapons on base.  Decided to stay at a hotel instead.
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dustoff003

Re: Military Personnel & Handguns
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2017, 06:28:13 AM »
Yes bases in HI allow POW's they need to be registered with each bases respective provost marshals office.


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Duenas0326

Re: Military Personnel & Handguns
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2017, 12:47:30 PM »
I believe the answer to this is "no", but wanted to ask in case I'm wrong.  Can someone who is in the military and qualified to shoot within the military apply for and purchase a handgun here without taking Hawaii's handgun course?

Also, if they happen to have a mainland hunter's ed class under their belt, does it transfer to Hawaii and can they therefore purchase a handgun without the class?

Thanks in advance!

If you're still ACTIVE in the military, National Guard/Reserve/Active Duty....HPD would accept a NOTARIZED affidavit/memorandum stating that you're a member of the Armed Forces that have received training in the use/safety of a pistol. Detailed in the required amount of classroom hours and range time by the State of Hawaii. Most of us that served has by far surpassed the amount of hours of training. It also has to be signed by the Commander of the unit attesting to your training.

Not sure if HPD still accepts this method but that's the last that I remember.

zippz

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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2017, 01:49:26 PM »
Your military commander or instructor must go over the Hawaii firearm laws with you and it must be stated in the affidavit.  Easiest way to do it is to review the HRA law summaries at http://hawaiirifleassociation.org/hawaii-gun-laws/.

zippz

Re: Military Personnel & Handguns
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2017, 01:55:00 PM »
Do the bases here allow personal weapons on base? My daughter lives at Nellis AFB and I was going to stay with her for a few days, until she told me they don't allow personal weapons on base.  Decided to stay at a hotel instead.

Each base has it's own rules.  I'm not aware of any that totally prohibit firearms.  Some bases have no requirements, some require registration, and some require them to be stored in the armory.

After reading the Nellis website, it appears residents on base can store their registered guns at their homes or at the armory and Im assuming guests are prohibited.  Don't try to sneak the gun on base as your car can be thoroughly searched.
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ICblk01GT

Re: Military Personnel & Handguns
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2017, 02:14:38 PM »
If you're still ACTIVE in the military, National Guard/Reserve/Active Duty....HPD would accept a NOTARIZED affidavit/memorandum stating that you're a member of the Armed Forces that have received training in the use/safety of a pistol. Detailed in the required amount of classroom hours and range time by the State of Hawaii. Most of us that served has by far surpassed the amount of hours of training. It also has to be signed by the Commander of the unit attesting to your training.

Not sure if HPD still accepts this method but that's the last that I remember.

They still do, and as macsak stated, make sure the verbage in your memorandum covers the requirements stated in HRS 134-2.  :thumbsup:

RSN172

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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2017, 03:20:28 PM »
Each base has it's own rules.  I'm not aware of any that totally prohibit firearms.  Some bases have no requirements, some require registration, and some require them to be stored in the armory.

After reading the Nellis website, it appears residents on base can store their registered guns at their homes or at the armory and Im assuming guests are prohibited.  Don't try to sneak the gun on base as your car can be thoroughly searched.
My daughter said they sometimes search even Nellis residents cars completely.  I wouldn't take a chance with that, and that is why I decided to stay in a hotel while visiting.  She was going to check if I could surrender my weapon at the gate and check it out when I leave, but since I was going to FSight for four days, I felt it would be too much of a hassle, especially since I would have to leave very early in the morning.  She will be getting her CCW very soon, been almost 2 months since she turned her application in.  I am going to ask her if she can keep the gun at home.
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rklapp

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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2017, 04:51:09 PM »
When I was in the Guard, I stayed at a Reserve base BEQ for the weekend drill in a room occupied by active personnel during the weekdays. A car accident took out the electrical pole outside the base so there was no power. When I woke up the next morning, there was a pistol laying on the other bunk. I reported it to the staff but always wondered what that was all about.
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2017, 05:01:17 PM »
When I was in the Guard, I stayed at a Reserve base BEQ for the weekend drill in a room occupied by active personnel during the weekdays. A car accident took out the electrical pole outside the base so there was no power. When I woke up the next morning, there was a pistol laying on the other bunk. I reported it to the staff but always wondered what that was all about.

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davgdavg

Re: Military Personnel & Handguns
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2017, 08:55:44 AM »
Each base is different, but I don't think any allow non active duty visitors to bring firearms onto them, regardless of licenses, etc. Pre 9/11 was a different ballgame, and of course if you know the CO/Flag officer or something you might get the ok.

changemyoil66

Re: Military Personnel & Handguns
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2017, 09:15:54 AM »
I think Trump did sign a law that says guns on post are now allowed, but it's still up the the base commander.

Kbay is starting to sell ammo, so I'm assuming firearms are next for the PX.

drck1000

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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2017, 09:24:24 AM »
Each base is different, but I don't think any allow non active duty visitors to bring firearms onto them, regardless of licenses, etc. Pre 9/11 was a different ballgame, and of course if you know the CO/Flag officer or something you might get the ok.
Not sure what you thinking of as "non active duty visitors", but for Schofield and Shafter, you can take personal firearms on installation if you register them with the Provost Marshall.  I have a CAC card, but not active duty.  I consider myself a visitor when I go to Schofield for SRGC. 

Sodie

Re: Military Personnel & Handguns
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2017, 07:37:44 PM »
I think Trump did sign a law that says guns on post are now allowed, but it's still up the the base commander.

Kbay is starting to sell ammo, so I'm assuming firearms are next for the PX.

Prices any good?  I'll have to check it out...

Wake27

Re: Military Personnel & Handguns
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2017, 10:01:43 PM »
Don't confuse any of this with actively carrying. I don't know of a single installation where anyone can carry aside from LEOs with certain qualifications or other special circumstances. Aside from that, it definitely varies so it is important to check with each place. Also keep in mind that many gate guards now a days are either rent a cops or a detail, few of them are actually MPs so I wouldn't expect to be able to store anything at the gate. The one exception I believe is the Marine Corps, but I still don't see that happening. Too much liability.


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drck1000

Re: Military Personnel & Handguns
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2017, 07:06:19 AM »
Don't confuse any of this with actively carrying. I don't know of a single installation where anyone can carry aside from LEOs with certain qualifications or other special circumstances. Aside from that, it definitely varies so it is important to check with each place. Also keep in mind that many gate guards now a days are either rent a cops or a detail, few of them are actually MPs so I wouldn't expect to be able to store anything at the gate. The one exception I believe is the Marine Corps, but I still don't see that happening. Too much liability.


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Yup.  I was referring to bringing personal firearms on installation, in general.  Not actively carrying of a firearm.  There are signs at the entry of many (or most) installations, but the print is too damn small to read.  All you see is the big red circle with the slash around a handgun.  I tried to read the sign this morning, but traffic was moving too quickly. 

oldfart

Re: Military Personnel & Handguns
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2017, 08:36:48 AM »
Some places only leave a chocolate-covered mint on your pillow.   :thumbsup:
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