St. Martin (Read 8144 times)

hvybarrels

St. Martin
« on: September 12, 2017, 08:46:34 AM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4875370/Islanders-fight-scraps-food-St-Martin.html

I imagine if something similar happened on Oahu the ramifications would be much worse. St. Martin is 75k people on 33sq miles. We are 600 square miles with a million people located on one of the most isolated places on earth. It took them a few days to evacuate 1200 tourists despite being surrounded by nearby functioning airports. How long would it take us to send back the estimated 50k that are here at any one time?

It's terrible what happened to the Caribbean, but at least we get a glimpse of what a real island disaster would look like versus the fantasies a lot of people have. It's worth watching how things progress out there, especially when it comes to disease outbreaks.

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RSN172

Re: St. Martin
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2017, 12:22:34 PM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4875370/Islanders-fight-scraps-food-St-Martin.html

I imagine if something similar happened on Oahu the ramifications would be much worse. St. Martin is 75k people on 33sq miles. We are 600 square miles with a million people located on one of the most isolated places on earth. It took them a few days to evacuate 1200 tourists despite being surrounded by nearby functioning airports. How long would it take us to send back the estimated 50k that are here at any one time?

Your estimate on tbe number of tourists is a little off. There are over  554,000 who visited Oahu in July. Average length of stay is 9 1/2 days. I think the number of tourists on any given day on Oahu is about 300,000.
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zippz

Re: St. Martin
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2017, 06:04:50 PM »
During a CAT 5 hurricane, I think the tourists will be better taken care of than the residents.  Hotels are robust buildings.  Tourists can stay in the conference halls and hallways to avoid breaking glass and debris.  Some have food stores and generators.

The million residents on the other hand have limited options.  Most of our homes will be destroyed and I'm not sure if there are enough buildings to shelter us.

changemyoil66

Re: St. Martin
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2017, 09:51:36 AM »
During a CAT 5 hurricane, I think the tourists will be better taken care of than the residents.  Hotels are robust buildings.  Tourists can stay in the conference halls and hallways to avoid breaking glass and debris.  Some have food stores and generators.

The million residents on the other hand have limited options.  Most of our homes will be destroyed and I'm not sure if there are enough buildings to shelter us.

My friend works at a big hotel and they have lots of food and water in the basement for hotel guest.  He said I can come over if needed.

London808

Re: St. Martin
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2017, 02:28:53 PM »
My friend works at a big hotel and they have lots of food and water in the basement for hotel guest.  He said I can come over if needed.

Key word "basement"
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hvybarrels

Re: St. Martin
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2017, 11:40:43 AM »
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drck1000

Re: St. Martin
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2017, 02:05:02 PM »
A buddy has family vacation properties in the Keys and seeing photos of the damage there, I wouldn't really want to see many pics of the damage further south.  Boat launch/docks completely gone.  Houses flooded and sand left inside the structures after the water levels receded.  His mom purchased vacation houses for he and his sister.  They don't even know if the structures are still there.  They've been looking at NASA satellite images as well as reports from a resident caretaker who rode out the storm in the area. 

s15project

Re: St. Martin
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2017, 09:34:49 PM »
With what's happened in St. Martin and Puerto Rico how realistic is 14 days of supplies for urban Oahu?  I'm somewhat confident based on previous camping trips my family could make it 14 days on food, water, fuel for the generator that we have stored.  Would 14 days have been enough after Iniki on Kauai or Iselle on the Big Island for help and supplies to start being distributed throughout the hardest hit areas?

How easy would movement be? I'd like to gather my parents and sister's family into one location.

How quickly would sewage become an issue?  Assuming enough water to continue flushing a toilet could you keep using it for 14 days or longer?

London808

Re: St. Martin
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2017, 09:55:07 PM »
With what's happened in St. Martin and Puerto Rico how realistic is 14 days of supplies for urban Oahu?  I'm somewhat confident based on previous camping trips my family could make it 14 days on food, water, fuel for the generator that we have stored.  Would 14 days have been enough after Iniki on Kauai or Iselle on the Big Island for help and supplies to start being distributed throughout the hardest hit areas?

How easy would movement be? I'd like to gather my parents and sister's family into one location.

How quickly would sewage become an issue?  Assuming enough water to continue flushing a toilet could you keep using it for 14 days or longer?

14 days is a joke. I wouldn't feel comftable with less then 2 months worth of supplies,
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RSN172

Re: St. Martin
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2017, 10:49:28 PM »
You have a gun.  Just take what you want from the liberal anti gunners.  LOL
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rklapp

Re: St. Martin
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2017, 09:07:39 AM »
With what's happened in St. Martin and Puerto Rico how realistic is 14 days of supplies for urban Oahu?  I'm somewhat confident based on previous camping trips my family could make it 14 days on food, water, fuel for the generator that we have stored.  Would 14 days have been enough after Iniki on Kauai or Iselle on the Big Island for help and supplies to start being distributed throughout the hardest hit areas?
How easy would movement be? I'd like to gather my parents and sister's family into one location.
How quickly would sewage become an issue?  Assuming enough water to continue flushing a toilet could you keep using it for 14 days or longer?
The big difference between Oahu and Kauai is the number of military bases here. I wonder how much difference that would make.

Every year, those goddamn Panamanians throw storms at us like bowling balls. One of these years, a low pressure off to the west will deflect the storm at us, likely from the south. I've been looking at the large banyan tree in front of my house and wonder what it would like like after a 130 mph storm.

Coast is clear for now...
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London808

Re: St. Martin
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2017, 11:06:12 AM »
On Oahu, WHEN a big hurricane hits the results will be devastating,

Unlike the mainland most of Hawaiis are are single wall wood construction. These homes will not be their anymore, They are old and under maintained. Most are not upto current code and have no hurricane clips or straps.
Hawaiis infrastructures aged, its not well maintained (leaning poles, cracked roads, rusting everything) and will be damaged beyond repair, more then likley requiring full replacement.
Hawaii has a tree problem, People love the prety trees, but they are to big and to close to roads and building, Because of the way streets are built these are often under concrete or around building and because they are growing over a lava bed the roots are very shallow. This means that they will easilt fall over in high winds and can/will damage infrastructure (poles and wire) and block roads, Many trees are allowed to grow around power line, some with wires running through the middle of the branches.
Oahu has 1 main dock, If it is damged in any way shape or form their is NO way to unload boats with supplies, Considering that 80%+ of our food is imported through this dock, their will be no help. when the power is knocked out, even if their is no damage top the dock, the dock cant function correctly.
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rklapp

Re: St. Martin
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2017, 02:30:35 PM »
On Oahu, WHEN a big hurricane hits the results will be devastating,
Like I said, those asshole Panamanians keep trying to get us every year. Looks at the storms they're putting together for us right now. It seems they're run out of ammunition from the storms in the Atlantic.

My understanding is that buildings after 1992 have to comply with the stricter building codes. For example, nails actually have to connect two pieces of wood together and stuff like that. After Andrew, they were finding many houses with roofs that were barely attached to the side walls.
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London808

Re: St. Martin
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2017, 06:14:44 PM »
Like I said, those asshole Panamanians keep trying to get us every year. Looks at the storms they're putting together for us right now. It seems they're run out of ammunition from the storms in the Atlantic.

My understanding is that buildings after 1992 have to comply with the stricter building codes. For example, nails actually have to connect two pieces of wood together and stuff like that. After Andrew, they were finding many houses with roofs that were barely attached to the side walls.

Just because code says something dosent mean it is,
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