Progressive Org: "Banning Rapid-Fire Ammunition Used by Assault Weapons" (Read 2954 times)

punaperson

"Rapid fire ammunition"?  :wtf: Yeah, that's a quote. These people are dumb as fucking rocks, and they are the ones who are in charge of determining what the right to keep and bear arms means via legislative dictat, so that you and I become criminals for exercising our natural God-given rights protected by the Constitution(s).

Trump Circuit Judge Tries to Strike Down New Jersey Law Banning Rapid-Fire Ammunition Used by Assault Weapons

http://www.pfaw.org/blog-posts/confirmed-judges-confirmed-fears-trump-circuit-judge-tries-to-strike-down-new-jersey-law-banning-rapid-fire-ammunition-used-by-assault-weapons/#.XC-w1pWAWm0.twitter

[Note that since the magazine ban applies to magazines for both long guns and hand guns, that this group has labeled ALL SEMIAUTOMATIC firearms as ASSAULT WEAPONS.]

Here's AWR Hawkins take on it:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/06/people-for-the-american-way-defend-banning-rapid-fire-ammunition/

People for the American Way Defend ‘Banning Rapid-Fire Ammunition’

The People for the American Way (PFAW) are defending the New Jersey “high capacity” magazine ban, which they present as a ban on “rapid-fire ammunition.”
However, the ban is not about types of ammunition, per se, but about types of magazines.

On December 10, 2018, Breitbart News reported that the ban–which took effect December 11–makes the mere possession of “high capacity” magazines a felony. Even keeping such a magazine in one’s own home is illegal under the ban.

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And after nearly a month of the ban being in effect, how many formerly law-abiding magazine possessors have turned in their magazines: approximately zero!

Gun Owners Don't Seem Eager to Comply With New Jersey's New Magazine Ban

https://reason.com/blog/2018/12/20/new-jerseys-gun-owners-do-not-seem-eager

How many of New Jersey's 1 million or so gun owners have complied with the ban by turning LCMs in to law enforcement agencies? Approximately zero, judging from an investigation by Ammoland writer John Crump. Crump, an NRA instructor and gun rights activist, "reached out to several local police departments in New Jersey" and found that "none had a single report of magazines turned over." He also contacted the New Jersey State Police, which has not officially responded to his inquiry. But "two sources from within the State Police," speaking on condition of anonymity, said "they both do not know of any magazines turned over to their agency and doubted that any were turned in."

[Of course it's theoretically possible that those one million owners may have destroyed, sent out of state, or permanently modified all those magazines to hold no more than 10 rounds. But I'd bet a big pile of money that's not the case. Now, if they could only register all future sales of magazines, for when they reduce the maximum capacity to 3 rounds, then they'd be able to go find them all. Coming soon to a legislature near you!]
« Last Edit: January 07, 2019, 08:35:17 AM by punaperson »

drck1000

Re: Progressive Org: "Banning Rapid-Fire Ammunition Used by Assault Weapons"
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2019, 08:59:38 AM »
Ok, hopefully not stupid question.  Anyways, here goes. . .

Much (or all) of the anti-gun stuff seems to come from either the 9th (west coast) or 1st (northeast) US Circuit Courts.  Why aren't things pro-gun coming from say the 5th (Texas and LA) and other more conservative circuits? 

http://visualfa.org/circuit-court-map/

Where lower court decisions are seemingly essentially upheld until taken up by SCOTUS puts those "vocal minority" circuits in charge of molding many things that affect the entire nation.  Something I had noticed before, but seems to have gotten much worse in say the last 4-6 years or so. 

changemyoil66

Re: Progressive Org: "Banning Rapid-Fire Ammunition Used by Assault Weapons"
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2019, 09:57:59 AM »
Ok, hopefully not stupid question.  Anyways, here goes. . .

Much (or all) of the anti-gun stuff seems to come from either the 9th (west coast) or 1st (northeast) US Circuit Courts.  Why aren't things pro-gun coming from say the 5th (Texas and LA) and other more conservative circuits? 

http://visualfa.org/circuit-court-map/

Where lower court decisions are seemingly essentially upheld until taken up by SCOTUS puts those "vocal minority" circuits in charge of molding many things that affect the entire nation.  Something I had noticed before, but seems to have gotten much worse in say the last 4-6 years or so.

Each state does their own thing.  So TX and other pro 2A states have no new laws because they don't infringe or need to remove infringing laws.  Compared to CA, NJ, NY, MA who only have laws that take away rights.  So it gets challenged by a person or pro 2a group hence why it goes up the chain to the 9th or like courts.  The lower courts make a decision that is wrong because they also hate the 2a, even though they're supposed to be "impartial".  Judges get "donations" all the time.

By winning in the higher courts, that just shows how wrong the lower courts were.  See Trumps travel ban and other things that went higher.

changemyoil66

Re: Progressive Org: "Banning Rapid-Fire Ammunition Used by Assault Weapons"
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2019, 09:59:46 AM »
Lets not forget that not 1 normal mag was turned in in NJ.  Millions of mags must have been converted or destroyed.

CA also wants to encode shells/heads like Judge Dredd style.  The tech doesn't even exist yet, but some bright idea fairy came along to a CA DNC lawmaker.

drck1000

Re: Progressive Org: "Banning Rapid-Fire Ammunition Used by Assault Weapons"
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2019, 10:04:56 AM »
Each state does their own thing.  So TX and other pro 2A states have no new laws because they don't infringe or need to remove infringing laws.  Compared to CA, NJ, NY, MA who only have laws that take away rights.  So it gets challenged by a person or pro 2a group hence why it goes up the chain to the 9th or like courts.  The lower courts make a decision that is wrong because they also hate the 2a, even though they're supposed to be "impartial".  Judges get "donations" all the time.

By winning in the higher courts, that just shows how wrong the lower courts were.  See Trumps travel ban and other things that went higher.
I get all of that and thank you for point out the obvious.  However, look at FL, who is still pretty conservative but has some of the more restrictive gun laws.  I'd have to go back and look, but I think they have mag capacity restrictions.  I don't seem to recall hearing much from the 11th Circuit. 

changemyoil66

Re: Progressive Org: "Banning Rapid-Fire Ammunition Used by Assault Weapons"
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2019, 11:24:06 AM »
I get all of that and thank you for point out the obvious.  However, look at FL, who is still pretty conservative but has some of the more restrictive gun laws.  I'd have to go back and look, but I think they have mag capacity restrictions.  I don't seem to recall hearing much from the 11th Circuit.

IIRC FL passed the red flag law and has already confiscated 400 weapons.  No due process, gun owners just got a letter to turn their stuff in by X date.

The state to watch is NV.  Since they are a swing state and elected a DNC governor who said he wants more gun control.  All the gun shops I talked to said they're concerned but "molon labe" type of attitude.

changemyoil66

I wonder if they  go to napa for blinker fluid.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Progressive Org: "Banning Rapid-Fire Ammunition Used by Assault Weapons"
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2019, 09:53:40 PM »
Rapid fire ammo? What a stupid idea. Ammo doesn't set the fire rate.