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At best..... Hawaii is backwards in nature.  Just look at the missile false alarm fiasco.  HPD can be on site in 2 minutes?  But what about if the cops are on their afternoon nap or doughnut break?  Also keep in mind that calling the cops probably takes at least a few minutes to tell them the 5 Ws.  And they don't know if it's a prank or false alarm, so would probably send 1-2 squad cars until they can verify.

Long time ago, my ex gf had a weird homeless guy follow her home.  She called the cops and texted me.  I came from across town and was on site a lot faster than the cop was.  I think he took 25 minutes maybe?  If something had actually happened, the only "protection" he would provide is a police report and an ambulance ride to the nearest hospital.

To be fair, if HPD hears "school shooter" they're probably going to drop everything they're doing and come over, especially now.

I called HPD once because my "door open" alarm went off on my gun safe.  I was at Ala Moana Shopping Center.  HPD called me back in 3 minutes saying they were outside of my home and there are no signs of forced entry and don't hear anyone inside either.  They waited until I came home to sweep my place.  Took me 8 minutes to come home.

When I called 911, I told them what guns I have inside my safe just in case someone did break in.  I wanted HPD to know what to be ready for.

good one rocky
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and by the way, regarding that principal who said "over my dead body".....

I would remind her that in the days of Jesus, shepherds (teachers) would guard their flock (children) with big sticks.
Not door stops or coarse language.

That's her choice to make for HERSELF.  If a liberal prefers to be a victim, that's their choice.   Other people may choose to try to protect the children and stop the murderer.    The real issue is that people like her are all too willing to try to impose their choice on other people.

puna

thanks for writing mahea

sorry I don't know anything about that faster program

She wrote me back asking to do a Skype interview, but I politely declined and asked that she contact FASTER, even though they are likely inundated with requests for interviews. I mentioned a number factors, including that the FASTER training includes emergency medical trauma response training, and that most of the people shot in those school settings do not die immediately from the gunshots, but due to blood loss over time. The emergency medical responders in Parkland were quite upset that they were not allowed into the buildings for 30 minutes due to "police procedure" (while the suspect ate lunch at McDonald's...  ). They knew that likely some people could have been saved had they been attended to immediately even after their relatively delayed arrival on site. More could have likely been saved had the school staff been trained in emergency trauma care and had the appropriate medical supplies. I also mentioned that at least some pilots trained to carry in cockpits of commercial flights had little or no prior firearms experience, and there is not record of problems with that program. The "door stop" and "no guns for staff" strategies are neither rational nor based upon evidence. But, that's par for the course here in Hawaii.

Gun instructor uses AR-15 to stop attacker in Oswego: 'He was a half a breath away from getting his head blown off .

Dave Thomas was getting ready for work Monday afternoon when he heard women screaming in his apartment building in Oswego.

Thomas, a gun instructor, peeked out the door and saw blood in the hallway. He went to his bedroom, where a handgun and an AR-15 assault-style rifle were lying on the bed. He picked up the rifle.

"I teach people how to defend themselves, and it was just a reaction to grab the AR-15," he said.
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Police said Thomas confronted a man who was stabbing another man in the apartment complex on the 100 block of Harbor Drive. The man with the knife ran off when Thomas threatened to shoot him.
"I think this is a perfect example of why... every single law-abiding citizen should have an AR-15," Thomas said, adding that they should have proper training.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/news/ct-abn-oswego-stabbing-charges-st-0227-20180227-story.html


I wonder if the cops would have arrived in time to stop the perp and prevent the death of the guy getting stabbed? 

Depends on if the classroom has one or two exits. Only the outside doors need to go outward but not in the hallway. A normal door stop could be overcome with considerable force but would distract the shooter while SWAT arrives. The main problem with a door stop is the attached ones are on the wrong side of the door and a loose door stop tends to go missing.

Thr only doors that open in are doors leading to other rooms.

All doors primary doors in schools open outward for fire safety reasons,.

Public doors and places with a lot of people open outwards to meet the fire code.  If there is a crowd at the door there is no space to open it inwards.

For armed teachers, what it would take is acceptance from the teachers union, it being voluntary with tax credits for the purchase of the gun, holster, ammunition, and classes along with paid time off to attend training.  There would also need to be liability protection.

For training they would need to take basic pistol, 2 day CCW course, and 1 day scenario training.  Have an annual qualification course similar to security guards and refresher training.   This would allow them to defend their classroom and the immediate area outside.

Public doors and places with a lot of people open outwards to meet the fire code.  If there is a crowd at the door there is no space to open it inwards.

For armed teachers, what it would take is acceptance from the teachers union, it being voluntary with tax credits for the purchase of the gun, holster, ammunition, and classes along with paid time off to attend training.  There would also need to be liability protection.

For training they would need to take basic pistol, 2 day CCW course, and 1 day scenario training.  Have an annual qualification course similar to security guards and refresher training.   This would allow them to defend their classroom and the immediate area outside.

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Colorado has a system in place. That would make a fine model.

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Colorado has a system in place. That would make a fine model.

That's interesting, I can look at other state's with similar laws and safety history.  I'd like to push something like this at next year's session.

That's interesting, I can look at other state's with similar laws and safety history.  I'd like to push something like this at next year's session.

All those other states ("shall") issue CCW licenses/permits or are permitless. Gonna be hard to carry with zero licenses issued in Hawaii.

good one rocky
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and by the way, regarding that principal who said "over my dead body".....

I would remind her that in the days of Jesus, shepherds (teachers) would guard their flock (children) with big sticks.
Not door stops or coarse language.

So what gives her the rights to die just so my child can too ?