Some info regarding NRA's money troubles. (Read 5883 times)

Mdotweber

Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« on: May 12, 2019, 04:15:34 PM »
https://m.facebook.com/gungrabbingmemes/?__tn__=C-R
Post of interest is below the pikachu pic.
Some info,receipts and random letters and correspondence regarding La Pierre and the NRA if anybody's interested. (Warning lots of reading)
« Last Edit: May 12, 2019, 05:06:30 PM by Mdotweber »
"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

punaperson

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2019, 07:07:07 AM »
I don't click on anything "facebook" unless I have no other choice. In this case I had already read the Wall Street Journal article, which I suspect may be the same information.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/leaked-letters-reveal-details-of-nra-chiefs-alleged-spending-11557597601

Does anyone really think all those schmoes sending their $30 to the NRA really care that LaPierre is spending $39,000 on clothing in one day at a Beverly Hills boutique? I'm sure they figure it's worth their investment. /sarc

mrgaf

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2019, 07:53:17 AM »
Upgraded my membership to Patron, donated $500 end of last year and again in Feb of this year. Now I read about this and realize what a fool I’ve been. No more, I’m done until this gets fixed. Let the high mucky mucks give up half of their salaries to help out........ :-[
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

6716J

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2019, 08:54:26 AM »
Lt Col Allen West on the NRA and its current issues...
https://theoldschoolpatriot.com/statement-regarding-nra/


It has become very apparent that I need to speak out about what is happening at the National Rifle Association.

I am in my second term as a Board member, and I am deeply concerned about the actions and statements being made. The recent statements by Charles Cotton and Carolyn Meadows that are appearing in the Wall Street Journal, and now other news outlets, are outright lies. I have never been told, advised, informed or consulted about any of these details mentioned in the WSJ, and who knows how much more despicable spending of members’ money.

These statements have maliciously, recklessly and purposefully put me, and uninformed Board members, in legal jeopardy.

Prior to the NRAAM in Indianapolis I sent an email to Wayne LaPierre’s managing director, Millie Hallow, expressing my sentiment that Wayne LaPierre resign immediately.

I also drafted a memo entitled “Resolution of Concerns,” both of these statements are known to the NRA Board. It is imperative that the NRA cleans its own house. If we had done so in Indianapolis, much of this could have been rectified.

I do not support Wayne LaPierre continuing as the EVP/CEO of the NRA. The vote in Indianapolis was by acclamation, not roll call vote. There is a cabal of cronyism operating within the NRA and that exists within the Board of Directors. It must cease, and I do not care if I draw their angst. My duty and responsibility is to the Members of the National Rifle Association, and my oath, since July 31, 1982, has been to the Constitution of the United States, not to any political party, person, or cabal.

The NRA Board of 76 is too large and needs to be reduced to 30 or less. We need term limits of four (4) terms on the Board. We need to focus the NRA, the nation’s oldest civil rights organization on its original charter, mission, training and education in marksmanship, shooting sports, and the defense of the Second Amendment.

I will dedicate all my efforts to the reformation of the National Rifle Association and its members, of whom I am proud to serve.

It sickens me to publicly make this statement, but I will not allow anyone to damage my honor, integrity, character, and reputation. Needless to say, there are those who have willingly done so to their own.

Steadfast and Loyal,
Lieutenant Colonel Allen B. West (US Army, Retired)
Member, 112th US Congress
Patriot Life Benefactor, Board Member, National Rifle Association

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

punaperson

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2019, 08:55:12 AM »
"Hey guys! Thanks for sending your money to the NRA so they could pay for my apartment while I "served" Wayne as his "intern"!"


6716J

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2019, 09:00:36 AM »
"Hey guys! Thanks for sending your money to the NRA so they could pay for my apartment while I "served" Wayne as his "intern"!"




She holds that can just like she holds Waynes gun
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

punaperson

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2019, 09:07:26 AM »
Lt Col Allen West on the NRA and its current issues...
https://theoldschoolpatriot.com/statement-regarding-nra/

The vote in Indianapolis was by acclamation, not roll call vote.
Yet the new President and others have stated that the "vote was unanimous". If true, that means that neither West nor any other member of the board spoke up when when the roll call called for "Those opposed?". So... did West and any other objectors remain silent when given the chance to publicly voice their objection to LaPierre and the other officers? If so, why? And if they did vocally object, why don't they simply say so and call those who announced a unanimous decision liars? Just askin'...

6716J

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2019, 09:36:58 AM »
Yet the new President and others have stated that the "vote was unanimous". If true, that means that neither West nor any other member of the board spoke up when when the roll call called for "Those opposed?". So... did West and any other objectors remain silent when given the chance to publicly voice their objection to LaPierre and the other officers? If so, why? And if they did vocally object, why don't they simply say so and call those who announced a unanimous decision liars? Just askin'...

Where and when was the vote held? That's the question. Was it held in open session or held with just enough to constitute a quorum in a private session?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

punaperson

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2019, 06:27:12 AM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-20/nra-suspends-chief-lobbyist-accused-of-assisting-coup-attempt

NRA Suspends Two Leaders Amid Accusations of Coup Attempt

Top lobbyist Chris Cox and deputy are placed on leave
 Cox’s portfolio includes federal, state, local governments

The National Rifle Association suspended its top lobbyist and one of his deputies, adding further turmoil to the gun-rights group’s leadership ranks as it wages legal battles on multiple fronts and prepares for a bruising 2020 election cycle.

The NRA confirmed Thursday that it had suspended Chris Cox, the lobbying chief who was viewed widely as a future leader of the group, and his deputy chief of staff, Scott Christman.

Bota-CS1

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2019, 07:24:30 AM »
Eric from IV8888, Tim from Military Arms Channel, and Rob Pincus all have been sharing further insights into the goings on and the corrupt self-dealings within the NRA.  Lawsuits and counter suits abound!  That’s why I’ll never support the NRA in it’s current form until wholesale changes are made and those currently in power leave entirely along with their crony underlings.  For those of you who still support the NRA and go to their functions like Friends of the NRA, how much do you spend on clothes in a year?  $1,000?  $2,000?  $5,000?  WLP thinks it’s fine to spend $39,000 of YOUR dues $ on clothing.  As well as trips to Europe - didn’t know we had any 2A related issues in France for Americans - and the Bahamas!  #Fuddlife
No one is coming, it’s up to us.

Legislation should never be about depriving law abiding citizens of something, but rather taking those things away from criminals.

Mdotweber

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2019, 10:24:25 AM »
uh oh more fallout...


"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

groveler

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2019, 03:44:18 PM »
I grew up with the NRA.
They taught my first hunter safety class,
age 12, for my first hunting license..
I lost my original class diploma, so had to
take the Hawaii hunter safety class when I moved
to Hawaii.  Hunter safety class here  is a JOKE!
They asked me to teach
the Bow part in future classes,
I knew more about bow hunting
than the instructor..
I'm a life NRA member since the 80's.
I don't understand the bylaws, but they need
to fire NRA executives, being Wayne and everybody
he has hired.  It has become a big  business and
at the upper levels a social club, it should not be.
If I didn't know better Wayne is under contract to
the Democrat party.  There is too much go along to get
along these days.
There is no compromise on gun safety!
There is no compromise on the second amendment!
There is no compromise on Conservation!
That is what the NRA used to be about.
I'm sure in the 5+ million members, we will
recover before the Democrats kill you off.

As a PS, I'm sending a donation off to GOA rather
than NRA-ILA next month as they fired the NRA-ILA guy.

 


« Last Edit: June 21, 2019, 03:56:20 PM by groveler »

punaperson

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2019, 12:13:49 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nras-top-lobbyist-resigns-amid-turmoil-and-infighting-in-gun-lobbying-group

Chris Cox resigns

NRA severs all ties with Ackerman McQueen (but the lawsuits are still ongoing)

LaPierre says NRA-TV will cease live broadcasts and re-evaluate the whole thing

Other than that it's all going great for the NRA... bu sure to send them a new large donation soon!

* * * * *
I just went to the NRA-TV site and... it's gone! Nada. The page has been replaced with a generic page. So I searched for Cam and Company, Dana Loesch, and Grant Stinchfield... the three remaining live shows... and the search result for each was: "Your search resulted in 0 matches." Too bad LaPierre couldn't resign with such speed! This is like the commies erasing history by painting people out of photos!
« Last Edit: June 26, 2019, 12:21:27 PM by punaperson »

changemyoil66

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2019, 12:35:51 PM »
As the ranking noob to the culture, to me it seems the NRA is living off of the name only.  They used to help out, but have drifted away from what they used to be, starting in the 80's with the machine gun ban.  As times changed back then, they did not adapt.  The need for lawyers came and the NRA should have invested more toward lawsuits/lawyers to help preserve gun rights.

I am an NRA member, but only because my CarryGuard gives a free NRA membership.  Once I find something better, then I will not be a NRA member.  Like most posted, there are other orgs that do more.  FPC, GOA, etc...

FPC and GOA are very vocal about court cases and bans.  They post about them on their IG at least.  NRA post no stance or waits until later to post something.

drck1000

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2019, 08:07:42 AM »
uh oh more fallout...

Good points by hickok and son.  I'll continue to support the NRA, but mostly to maintain my certs.  However, they do need to clean things up quickly. 

zippz

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2019, 01:11:43 PM »
I want to put some things into perspective as a founder of a small local gun rights org. There are a lot of things that NRA has to fix, but they are also doing a lot of things right.

Gun Right activism and lobbying is all about the membership numbers. You need enough people to affect the elections, provide donations, participate in activism, and a base to develop leaders from. NRA has supposedly 6 million members which can effectively do all of the above stuff.

You can't get those membership numbers just from lobbying/legal action(nraila) and political arm(nrapvf). SAF/CCRKBA have 650,000 gun rights advocate members in the two orgs, I would guess most belong to both so 450,000 members. A good amount but not enough to swing elections. The SAF and others do win important lawsuits, but to do so you need 2a friendly judges, who are appointed by politicians, who are elected, and whom you need a large 2a voting base to affect the elections.

The reason NRA has the numbers is they cater to a very diverse audience through AckMac. Hunters, first time shooters through education, youth safety, junior air rifle programs, law enforcement, military, competitive shooting, defensive carry, community activities, etc.

To get all of those groups you need a good marketing firm that hits all areas, all age groups, all races, and all income brackets. That's the reason for NRATV, Eddie eagle, friends of the NRA, etc. I think AckMac and Wayne did a good job at that

The problem lies with the accountability, transparency, conflicts of interest, and lavish spending.

changemyoil66

Re: Some info regarding NRA's money troubles.
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2019, 01:31:58 PM »


The problem lies with the accountability, transparency, conflicts of interest, and lavish spending.


This seems to be the downfall to many like orgs.  Wounded Warrior had the same problem with regard to lavish spending.

All the above are avoidable and should have been because the NRA has been around for a long time and they should know how to run an org.  And the fact that anti 2a groups are looking for a reason to give the NRA bad PR, they have to be double careful.

Also since they have lots of resources, my main gripe is why they didn't bother with Young vs. Hawaii and how they screwed up the NY case recently by not asking for monetary compensation.  Seems like a big oops.  The recent CCW lawsuit (not the Roberts one, the one with 3-4 plaintiffs) they did help with here, doesn't seem like a strong one.  As in they picked the wrong case to help with.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

Did they help with the bump stock ban?  I know they met with Trump, but IDK what was spoken in that meeting.  Didn't seem to productive since the ban passed.  RAPBACK would have been a major law to get involved with also.  Where were they with CA's featureless law, mag law years ago, etc...

Like I posted before, times are changing so they should have allocated more money toward lawyers, because the 2a right is what most people what to see protected.  I'm sure if they had a donation drive and said the money donated would go toward X lawsuit for Y law, people would donate, even if it's only $10.  It all adds up.