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Going off topic for a bit....
I always tell people that it is a small world. Molokai is even smaller!
I flew over on Makani Kai Air, but I was the only passenger on the plane.
There were about 10 people leaving on the next plane but I did not know them.
Anyway, when I got to my uncle's house, most of the people who were on the other plane were in the dining room munching on donuts and fruits. It turns out that they were my cousins on the other branch of the family tree.
 

My condolences to you and your family for you loss OF. It is sad that so many of the old timers I knew on Molokai have passed on. Late last year I went to Molokai for a funeral. The man who passed was a really special guy.   

He's trying to buy votes.  Only morons will want this and vote for him if someone where to run against him.  Problem is HI is not like the mainland when trying to buy votes with crazy ideas.  The districts are no where big enough.

From what I read his wife is a well-known political insider. What happened to his practice as an attorney?

Me as well. Started working at 15yo. Maintenance for Flo's Ewa Bakery.  Scrubbed the floors and pans.  Min at that time I think I remember to be $4.25

Even though I paid taxes, i didn't know a darn thing about life or politics,  didn't really care about that stuff either.

Being a responsible husband, father, and property owner makes one more intune and careful about politicians and politics, IMO. 

Becoming a gun owner made me become really serious,  and open eyed to the abundance of BS in politicians.

Very similar experience for me.  I was working at a family business since I was around 13.  I don't recall exactly what I was getting paid when I turned 14 and started reporting income, but it wasn't a lot.  And I was busting ass loading and unloading cases of bowling balls and other supplies in a warehouse.  Wasn't aware or really care about politics until I became a gun owner.  The most I recall about politics when I was younger was Cec Heftel and the stuff that happened in his race (I think) for Governor. 

The day they let 16 year olds vote in Hawaii is the last day I vote.....

So they want them to be 100 years old to buy cigs, 21 to buy guns and beer, treat then as a minor when they commit crimes...

But should be able to vote?  SMFH

maybe a tie-in, that if they exercise their 16YO right-to-vote, they also forfeit the juvenile criminal protection when they commit crimes, treated as adults.  "comes with the territory"...

separately, can you imagine the changed landscape with all the candidates-for-office pandering to the 16YO vote?  attending high-school rallies, student govt meetings, it would be pathetic, a sorry sight to see.  shake my head. 

maybe a tie-in, that if they exercise their 16YO right-to-vote, they also forfeit the juvenile criminal protection when they commit crimes, treated as adults.  "comes with the territory"...

separately, can you imagine the changed landscape with all the candidates-for-office pandering to the 16YO vote?  attending high-school rallies, student govt meetings, it would be pathetic, a sorry sight to see.  shake my head. 

I can foresee millions of teens voting into office pro-gun candidates who promise to lower the age limit for firearm ownership to 16, too.

  

Gonna let them drink at 16 and join the military as well?

Gonna let them drink at 16 and join the military as well?

And smoke and own guns.  If they allow all of that, then I'm OK with them voting.  You cannot pick and choose what rights to allow at various ages.  Should all be 18 (legal age).

And smoke and own guns.  If they allow all of that, then I'm OK with them voting.  You cannot pick and choose what rights to allow at various ages.  Should all be 18 (legal age).

I was age 12 when I completed my first Hunter safety course(CA state) and was licensed
to hunt on my own, no supervision with shotguns and rifles. I owned guns at age 12.
My dad finally signed for my drivers license when I was 17, at the time in CA a parent
had to sign for your license if you were under 18.  It took me that long to save
for and buy my own car and insurance.
I joined the USAF at age 17( Vietnam era). I really liked getting beer from vending machines in the barracks
(Illegal for me), I smoked two packs a day( illegal for me). I was working on Nuke armed B52's at age 18.
Kind of a rush siting in the command seat in the cockpit with the "AGM-69 ARM" switch just to my left.
All this stuff used to be quite common, so multiple age limits for different things are fair game.
Voting is where I put my foot down.  I think the voting age should be at least 21, preferably 25.
Military is no longer a drafted force, so the argument for lowering the voting age to 18 goes away.
The government today is too overwhelmingly powerful to let the most immature and emotional of society
select how it will operate.