[quote author=groveler link=topic=46551.msg427805#msg427805 date=1657859658
...
Another society called that Hubris.
To Hawaii Democrats, I say Fuck you.
Aloha.

[/quote]
Don't sugar-coat it. How do you
really feel?

People like to label themselves "civilized," but I don't think that's what they want to be. Look at all the money, time and energy spent traveling and seeking experiences in nature ... camping, hiking, nature trails, skiing, biking, rock climbing, mountain climbing, etc.
I think most of us yearn for the simpler life outside of "civilized society," where you don't have room to do anything without offending or angering someone. Look at how popular the Off-Grid and Survivalist TV shows have been. People fantasize about quitting their jobs and finding a way to enjoy what's really important in life.
Looking at the behavior of the Far Left these last couple of decades, I think they are closer to uncivilized than they want to admit.