Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too! (Read 2186 times)

zippz

Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too!
« on: February 20, 2024, 10:42:06 AM »
On the down side, more taxes and fees for us.  On the plus side, I don't think the gun buyback and the new gun violence office are happening.



Bad News For The Budget: Maui Fire Costs Could Top $600 Million This Year Alone

Senate Ways and Means Committee Chairman Donovan Dela Cruz told his colleagues in a memo last week the state’s share of the recovery effort this year alone may amount to $600 million, which is the sum Gov. Josh Green had earmarked in his financial plan for the Maui recovery during the next four years.

The state must also budget for hundreds of millions of dollars in hazard pay that is still owed to state workers from the pandemic, Saiki said, adding that the combined cost of hazard pay and the upfront wildfire recovery costs this year may top $1 billion.

https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/02/bad-news-for-the-budget-maui-fire-costs-could-top-600-million-this-year-alone/


Proposed HECO Bailout Bill Could Force The Utility Company To Restructure

The fundamental change sought by HECO would allow the company to impose new fees on its 460,000 customers statewide outside the standard ratemaking process.

https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/02/proposed-heco-bailout-bill-could-force-the-utility-company-to-restructure/



astroboy

Re: Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too!
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2024, 11:21:12 AM »
Youtuber Dan from I Allegedly comments on Hawaii, Gov. Josh Green, and other subjects.


https://youtu.be/qjd1yBAQTWQ?t=698

Rocky

Re: Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too!
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2024, 12:39:53 PM »
SPEED HUMPS
    According to the Hawaii DOT, it costs around $120,000 for each speed humps and raised crosswalks it installs.
National DOT Estimated cost
The cost for each speed hump is approximately $2,000. Speed tables are $5,000–$15,000, again depending on drainage conditions and materials used.
   An online search found a 2018 study by the Institute of Transportation Engineers estimating the cost of a raised asphalt crosswalk or “traffic table” at between $2,500 and $8,000.
Another publication by the U.S. Department of Transportation estimates an asphalt traffic table should cost between $5,000 and $15,000.
   I tried to access Hawaii DOT  (https://hiepro.ehawaii.gov/500.html) for contract but
 "ERROR!  We are sorry there has been an error. Please try again. If you continue to get this error please call (808) 695-4620 for assistance."

VACATION RENTALS
The "$25 admittance Fee" per visitor
The "$25 admittance Fee" per visitor is a violation of the 14th amendment regarding "right to travel / Freedom of movement between states
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIV-S2-C1-13/ALDE_00013789/['travel']
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-14/section-1/interstate-travel

ILLEGAL VACATION RENTALS
At .gov last count there were 257,000 nights stayed in supposedly 10,000 of  these rentals on Oahu. I can only find  less than 1,000 units
257,000 nights / 10,000 units = only 25.7 nights per unit (which I know is incorrect, not financially feasible)
Anyway, 257,000 nights x 4 guests (estimate as most opt for VR's due to higher occupancy is cheaper than hotel) = 1,028,000 guests per year.

    So the bread and butter of this state (tourism) will lose over 1 million, 28 thousand guests per year.
1,028,000 less shave ice, plate lunches, luau guests and other losses in mom and pop stores as well as the loss in 4.17% taxes on everything they purchase.

    Too bad that "$25 admittance Fee" won't pan out.
1,028,000 guests x $25 = $25,700,000 less money for frivolous 2a court battles and speed humps.
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ren

Re: Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too!
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2024, 12:58:10 PM »
SPEED HUMPS
    According to the Hawaii DOT, it costs around $120,000 for each speed humps and raised crosswalks it installs.
National DOT Estimated cost
The cost for each speed hump is approximately $2,000. Speed tables are $5,000–$15,000, again depending on drainage conditions and materials used.
   An online search found a 2018 study by the Institute of Transportation Engineers estimating the cost of a raised asphalt crosswalk or “traffic table” at between $2,500 and $8,000.
Another publication by the U.S. Department of Transportation estimates an asphalt traffic table should cost between $5,000 and $15,000.
   I tried to access Hawaii DOT  (https://hiepro.ehawaii.gov/500.html) for contract but
 "ERROR!  We are sorry there has been an error. Please try again. If you continue to get this error please call (808) 695-4620 for assistance."

VACATION RENTALS
The "$25 admittance Fee" per visitor
The "$25 admittance Fee" per visitor is a violation of the 14th amendment regarding "right to travel / Freedom of movement between states
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIV-S2-C1-13/ALDE_00013789/['travel']
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-14/section-1/interstate-travel

ILLEGAL VACATION RENTALS
At .gov last count there were 257,000 nights stayed in supposedly 10,000 of  these rentals on Oahu. I can only find  less than 1,000 units
257,000 nights / 10,000 units = only 25.7 nights per unit (which I know is incorrect, not financially feasible)
Anyway, 257,000 nights x 4 guests (estimate as most opt for VR's due to higher occupancy is cheaper than hotel) = 1,028,000 guests per year.

    So the bread and butter of this state (tourism) will lose over 1 million, 28 thousand guests per year.
1,028,000 less shave ice, plate lunches, luau guests and other losses in mom and pop stores as well as the loss in 4.17% taxes on everything they purchase.

    Too bad that "$25 admittance Fee" won't pan out.
1,028,000 guests x $25 = $25,700,000 less money for frivolous 2a court battles and speed humps.

all of the above is void  with ALOHA! :shaka:
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astroboy

Re: Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too!
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2024, 02:05:21 PM »
More's the pity a relocation plan will force West Maui residents to sell.
Are they really serious about paying the former owners with bonds?




QUIETShooter

Re: Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too!
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2024, 02:18:40 PM »
State going broke.  And we are going broke too.

One day Hawaii people will have to seriously consider "go fo broke...."

100th Battalion style.  They knew what had to be done when all else fails.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

zippz

Re: Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too!
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2024, 02:23:23 PM »

VACATION RENTALS
The "$25 admittance Fee" per visitor

Just call it an aloha fee and bump it up to $100.  It's not a tax, it's the gift of aloha.


QUIETShooter

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

hvybarrels

Re: Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too!
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2024, 05:27:59 PM »
The F in Communism stands for Food

oldfart

Re: Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too!
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2024, 05:32:17 PM »
I suggest the young'uns to get da hell outta Dodge.....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/increasing-number-of-hawaii-residents-feel-state-is-moving-in-wrong-direction-survey-says/ar-BB1iBx9l?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=1d24632e01b54a0195f87aacc4fb0113&ei=58
...
I offered my daughter the use of my parent's house on Maui. Just take care of expenses. No rent. No mortgage.
She said no. She leaves in about one month. Very sad.
 :(
What, Me Worry?

QUIETShooter

Re: Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too!
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2024, 06:12:49 PM »
...
I offered my daughter the use of my parent's house on Maui. Just take care of expenses. No rent. No mortgage.
She said no. She leaves in about one month. Very sad.
 :(

Sorry to hear that.  Must be other things about this banana republik she cannot stand.  She must feel there are no opportunities here.

Only leeches.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

oldfart

Re: Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too!
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2024, 08:36:09 PM »
Sorry to hear that.  Must be other things about this banana republik she cannot stand.  She must feel there are no opportunities here.

Only leeches.
...
Husband is military. They going Germany for  few years.  Then settle in Utah or Montana. She said Maui has no future for them. Sad.
What, Me Worry?

hvybarrels

Re: Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too!
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2024, 10:17:11 PM »
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Husband is military. They going Germany for  few years.  Then settle in Utah or Montana. She said Maui has no future for them. Sad.

That is pretty sad. Not a lot of military jobs on Maui though unless he's working on space lasers.

https://greatmountainpublishing.com/2023/08/20/lahaina-is-within-40-miles-of-a-u-s-government-directed-energy-facility-on-maui/
The F in Communism stands for Food

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too!
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2024, 10:23:31 PM »
Maybe someone heard the 442nd Infantry Regiment's motto and liked it -- not knowing what it meant?

 :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Hawaii is going broke...we go broke too!
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2024, 08:01:11 AM »
its called gentrification and #immadoctor is leading the charge
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