Hawaii is not part of NATO (Read 9724 times)

Kuleana

Re: Hawaii is not part of NATO
« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2024, 12:47:43 PM »
i said you love to play one.
From your statement above, I really did not realize you knowing what roles I love to play.

macsak

Re: Hawaii is not part of NATO
« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2024, 12:56:41 PM »
From your statement above, I really did not realize you knowing what roles I love to play.

still avoiding the questions
got it...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hawaii is not part of NATO
« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2024, 12:58:41 PM »
If Israel is not committing genocide, why did the UN Security Council last week Monday (3/25) passed a resolution demanding an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan, the immediate and unconditional release of hostages, and “the urgent need to expand the flow” of aid into Gaza?  BTW, there were 14 votes in favor with the United States abstaining.

Is it your belief that genocide is the only reason the UN would pass a cease fire resolution?   :crazy:

Ramadan is a religious holiday for Muslims.  That vote would have been no different had they voted for a cease fire during Christmas -- which was actually done several times in Korea and Vietnam.

in fact, there's a "copy' of that Ramadan resolution being circulated ahead of a vote calling for a cease fire in Sudan for the entire month, too.

So, is Sudan also being targeted for genocide?   :rofl:

if you know anything about Ramadan, Muslims are required to fast all day -- from before sun up until after sundown.  Kind of hard to fight a war when your muslim soldiers are not eating, huh?

The US abstained because the resolution provides an entire month for Hamas to regroup, resupply and plan for their next assaults.  Giving them a breather for 30 days only makes them capable of drawing out the conflict and killing more people.

BTW, a UN resolution has no "teeth".  Unless they are ordering troops in to enforce the resolution, it's just virtue signaling with the potential motive of helping the terrorists gain traction.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Hawaii is not part of NATO
« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2024, 01:15:17 PM »
Is it your belief that genocide is the only reason the UN would pass a cease fire resolution?
Not just my view.




Utterly reprehensible.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hawaii is not part of NATO
« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2024, 01:31:51 PM »
Not just my view.


Yeah, you picked a real winner to hang your hat on with her:

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In fact, Albanese does not appear to be impartial, as revealed in a 2022 report by UNwatch
titled “Mandate to Discriminate.” UNwatch is a nongovernmental organization that analyzes
and monitors the activities of the United Nations and discovered a serious omission in the
conflicts of interest form submitted by Albanese for her UN candidacy. She reportedly failed
to declare that her husband, Massimiliano Calì, previously worked for the Palestinian Authority’s
ministry of national economy.

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/commentary/un-envoy-cheers-for-gaza-husband-was-on-payroll-of-palestinian-authority/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hawaii is not part of NATO
« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2024, 01:34:33 PM »
Utterly reprehensible.


OMG!  Israeli soldiers were 'humiliating and mocking" detainees? 

The horror!!

 :popcorn: :popcorn:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hawaii is not part of NATO
« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2024, 01:37:40 PM »
ONE MORE TIME:

If Israel is engaged in genocide, why are there still Palestinians living in Gaza? 

Why are there many Arabs living and working peacefully in Israel?

The whole argument is laughable.

Hyperbolic rhetoric gets people's attention I guess.  Propaganda at its finest.

When Gaza starts to resemble Bosnia at the height of their ethnic cleansing campaign, then you'll have an argument.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Hawaii is not part of NATO
« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2024, 04:31:46 PM »
Please tell me where I said I love to play an expert on this forum...

Have you lived in China for any substantial period of time, learned and used Chinese language in order to deal with common Chinese people in daily life?

I have.   :shaka:
Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Re: Hawaii is not part of NATO
« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2024, 06:32:05 PM »
If Israel is engaged in genocide, why are there still Palestinians living in Gaza?
Let's first see if any internationally recognized acts of genocide have been committed by Israel in Gaza.  According to the UN's Article II of the Genocide Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group as in the group in-question, the Palestinians living in Gaza:

(a) Killing members of the group (Israel is killing members of a group, approximately over 30,000 Palestinian men, women, and children have been slaughtered since October 7, 2023);

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group (Evidence has surface of Israeli soldiers photographing, recording video, and posting the bodily and mental harm they have been subjecting to captured Palestinians whether Hamas or not);

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (Israel's shelling and bombing of Gaza has resulted in the immense destruction of Gaza City causing Palestinians to become refugees in their own city);

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and/or

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Based on the criteria set forth in the Genocide Convention, there is evidence to suggest genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza is occurring as at least three of the five criteria of genocide have been observed.


Now, to answer your question, which is not a criterion of genocide; the reason there are Palestinians still living in Gaza is because Gaza is their home and the Palestinians have nowhere else realistically to go.



Why are there many Arabs living and working peacefully in Israel?
Arabs living and working in Israel has nothing to do about genocide.

macsak

Re: Hawaii is not part of NATO
« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2024, 07:18:45 PM »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hawaii is not part of NATO
« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2024, 07:22:25 PM »
Let's first see if any internationally recognized acts of genocide have been committed by Israel in Gaza.  According to the UN's Article II of the Genocide Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group as in the group in-question, the Palestinians living in Gaza:

(a) Killing members of the group (Israel is killing members of a group, approximately over 30,000 Palestinian men, women, and children have been slaughtered since October 7, 2023);

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group (Evidence has surface of Israeli soldiers photographing, recording video, and posting the bodily and mental harm they have been subjecting to captured Palestinians whether Hamas or not);

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (Israel's shelling and bombing of Gaza has resulted in the immense destruction of Gaza City causing Palestinians to become refugees in their own city);

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and/or

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Based on the criteria set forth in the Genocide Convention, there is evidence to suggest genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza is occurring as at least three of the five criteria of genocide have been observed.


Now, to answer your question, which is not a criterion of genocide; the reason there are Palestinians still living in Gaza is because Gaza is their home and the Palestinians have nowhere else realistically to go.


Arabs living and working in Israel has nothing to do about genocide.

Genocide:
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Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent
to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.

These acts fall into five categories:

  1. Killing members of the group

  2.  Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group

  3.  Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part

  4.  Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group

  5.  Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/what-is-genocide

Genocide does not include forcing people to leave -- i.e. having "nowhere else realistically to go."

Your definition of Genocide seems ... wrong.

One would assume you know what the word means if you're going to accuse someone of such a "reprehensible" crime.  And i don't mean the euphemistic definition, such as how people use the word "rape" in the context of destroying land even though the in reality one can't actually rape land.

Same goes for Genocide.  If they aren't killing, seriously injuring or breeding out the Palestinians with the intent of systemically eliminating that population entirely, then they aren't engaged in Genocide no matter how many people want to misuse the term.

Maybe if Hamas and the Palestinians would stop attacking Israel, Israel would have no "excuse" for thier "covert genocide program."
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Hawaii is not part of NATO
« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2024, 07:24:25 PM »
Arabs living and working in Israel has nothing to do about genocide.

Have you lived amongst Arabs for any substantial period of time, learned and used Arabic language(s) in order to deal with common Arab people in daily life?
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hawaii is not part of NATO
« Reply #52 on: April 02, 2024, 04:38:53 PM »
The US proposed a UN Security Council resolution for a cease fire in Gaza.  The resolution calls for a 6 week cessation of hostilities from both sides to allow for hunamitarian relief efforts to reach residents in their buildings without fear of more destruction.

The resolution was vetoed by BOTH Russia and China.  Every other SC member voted in favor.

Every time the US tried to propose a resolution that includes the release of hostages, Russia and China block it.

It's as if they know there are no more hostages still alive to be released -- something that's becoming clear each time Hamas negotiates for a cease fire.  Hostages being released are never on the table according to reports.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw