922(r) Compliance! (Read 4687 times)

BananaClip

922(r) Compliance!
« on: January 04, 2011, 06:25:33 PM »
Don't know exactly how this one goes. "Hand is Raised". Must have a certain amount of american made parts on gun to make it 922(r) compliant. Must clear the smoke on this one for the people who are not sure. THANKS in ADVANCE! :shaka:
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ross1459

Re: 922(r) Compliance!
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2011, 07:26:25 PM »
It's not that you need to have a certain amount of american made parts on the gun,

You cannot have more than 10 foreign made parts on a rifle/shotgun with a pistol grip. This is the reason saigas were imported with the funky stock, and the reason norinco AKs came in with thumbhole stocks. Century and their family of WASRs are built 922(r) compliant using a bunch of US parts - i believe they stamp receivers in the US and assemble the guns out of buckets of parts kits - country of origin of furniture and stuff being the "country" of the gun.

The ATF technical department decides what the breakdown of the gun is, and what parts are parts and what parts don't even count. Kind of the same way they decide what half is the receiver on what gun.

I believe the AK family breaks down to like 14 parts
Trigger, hammer, disconnector, stock, pistol grip, bolt carrier, bolt, barrel, receiver, front handguard, magazine, mag spring, mag follower, gas piston

Interestingly enough, the saiga-12 has a piston and an op-rod, but the op-rod is not a separate piece. The puck piston is the piston.

Im pretty sure this is right, someone should google it though.

Out of this list of parts, if you make your gun subject to the 922(r) restrictions by adding a pistol grip stock- even one of those nonsensical tapco rearward pistol grips, you cannot have more than 10 foreign parts. The magazine has 3 parts, thats why you can't really use it after converting. Thats the same reason tapco took the time to stamp usa on their triggers and why century aks come with tapco triggers. Its ridiculously confusing

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Re: 922(r) Compliance!
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2011, 08:13:18 PM »
What ross said; no more than 10 foreign parts on a "non-sporting" rifle.
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Re: 922(r) Compliance!
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2011, 08:10:02 AM »
This is of concern to folks with C&R FFLs.  We can legally buy old rifles that do not meet this criteria.  Not a problem, as long as the gun retains its C&R status.  However, if you start to modify the rifle in such a way that it is "not readily restorable" to its original configuration, then you have to swap out enough parts to make it 922(r) compliant.
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BananaClip

Re: 922(r) Compliance!
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 05:29:34 PM »
Right On! That was my next question. "What do I do with my Mosin M44?" Thanks Tom_G.... Stupid question to whom it may concern: So if I have a non "922(r) Compliant" gun or rifle, how and who finds out about it. Is there a guy that walks around the shooting ranges to check out and make sure that guns are "922(r) Compliant? Not that I have a non compliant gun or anything........ ::)
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Tom_G

Re: 922(r) Compliance!
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 06:53:01 PM »
The only "compliance police" I am aware of is the BATFE.  Odds are, you could live your life in confidence that the issue would never arise.  I'd bet it's one of those things, though, that if you ever found yourself under scrutiny, say for a justifiable defensive shooting, it's the sort of thing they'd throw at you just to make sure you ended up convicted of SOMEthing. 

There are fairly extensive FAQs on the BATFE website under the C&R information, and many more letters from the BATFE circulated on C&R forums.  If you have a specific question about modifying your Moisin, write the BATFE and tell them your plans.  It'll take a while, but they will answer, and probably give you a definitive "yes, that's fine" or "no, you'll also need to..." list.  Which will come in handy if you decide to sell and some savvy buyer asks "Hey, is this thing 922(r) compliant?"
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BananaClip

Re: 922(r) Compliance!
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 07:47:17 PM »
Right on! Thanks Tom_G.... :thumbsup:
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