Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case? (Read 37959 times)

808gmac

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2013, 03:06:52 PM »
Damn.

OK I bring all the pistols in their hard cases. It will make carrying them super hassle. I got 3 long guns and 3 pistols to carry to HPD.

well., somebody went amok on a shopping spree...yeah!

passivekinetic

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2013, 03:07:39 PM »
OK never mind. Moot.

I just decided to put the pistols back in their hard cases and hassle with it.
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Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2013, 03:07:59 PM »
the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm....depends on interpretation...that's why we have lawyers...lol

People register firearms in the original shipping boxes (cardboard) and AR-15 in 2 parts in a back pack.

HPD doesn't say a word.

UNLOADED AND FULLY ENCLOSED is all they care about.  How protective or covert a case is does not concern them.
"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
--Justice Louis D. Brandeis

passivekinetic

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2013, 03:08:33 PM »
Is not amok. Is very carefully considered and saved up budget that is well spent.  :rofl:
"The sheep fear sheepdogs, because they fail to see the wolves."
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OldFaithful

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2013, 03:09:24 PM »
Yeah I really doubt it'd matter if your gun was in a "rigid" strictly for guns case.  Just another one of those dumb laws. When you get a gun from a lgs it comes in a cardboard box a lot so yeah...  Just don't be driving with or leaving out a clearly visible gun in your car or backpack

WCMTWS

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2013, 03:10:29 PM »
People register firearms in the original shipping boxes (cardboard) and AR-15 in 2 parts in a back pack.

HPD doesn't say a word.

UNLOADED AND FULLY ENCLOSED is all they care about.  How protective or covert a case is does not concern them.

Alright awesome, yeah I just want to you know double check when I realized it's a class b felony..that's a bit silly
and I assume that having upper and lower separated does not make a difference..

passivekinetic

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2013, 03:12:36 PM »
Well, true for long guns but all pistols come in hard cases.

I just don't want to be the guy to find out about this, oh, so mysterious technicality.

So F it, will bring hard cases to HPD.

AR goes to the soft case and the other two long guns have hard cases. That's frigging 6 separate items to carry.
"The sheep fear sheepdogs, because they fail to see the wolves."
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passivekinetic

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2013, 03:13:51 PM »
double check when I realized it's a class b felony

Yup, that is why I want to triple check here.
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Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2013, 03:14:22 PM »
Alright awesome, yeah I just want to you know double check when I realized it's a class b felony..that's a bit silly
and I assume that having upper and lower separated does not make a difference..

If they catch you with a stripped AR lower uncovered on the passenger seat, they can consider that a firearm and charge you for not having it in a case/enclosure.

The AR upper is not a legal firearm.
"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
--Justice Louis D. Brandeis

808gmac

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2013, 03:17:07 PM »
Yeah I really doubt it'd matter if your gun was in a "rigid" strictly for guns case.  Just another one of those dumb laws. When you get a gun from a lgs it comes in a cardboard box a lot so yeah...  Just don't be driving with or leaving out a clearly visible gun in your car or backpack

Roger that:  one time I just finished register a pistol, put it in the gun case, and inside my backpack...I then, went to the HPD Police Officer at the entrance/sentry to let him know that I have just registered a pistol, and that I wanted to go upstairs to eat lunch at the cafeteria.  The Police Officer, told me, no problem as long as I don't take the gun out.  He did not even check my backpack for ammo or anything..this was in the mid-90s.  So, I got to eat lunch at the HPD cafeteria (with all the cops) with no problem.

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2013, 03:21:04 PM »
Roger that:  one time I just finished register a pistol, put it in the gun case, and inside my backpack...I then, went to the HPD Police Officer at the entrance/sentry to let him know that I have just registered a pistol, and that I wanted to go upstairs to eat lunch at the cafeteria.  The Police Officer, told me, no problem as long as I don't take the gun out.  He did not even check my backpack for ammo or anything..this was in the mid-90s.  So, I got to eat lunch at the HPD cafeteria (with all the cops) with no problem.

The law doesn't specify the police station as an appropriate destination with a firearm only if headed to the firearms section.  It broadly says:   (6)  A police station.
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--Justice Louis D. Brandeis

WCMTWS

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2013, 03:47:07 PM »
If they catch you with a stripped AR lower uncovered on the passenger seat, they can consider that a firearm and charge you for not having it in a case/enclosure.

The AR upper is not a legal firearm.

Nah it's a completed lower and upper, but wanted to use the gym bag as transport from home and range and it only fits if I pop the takedown pins out.

Haoleb

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2013, 04:27:07 PM »
You can pretty much carry it in anything. Even a cardboard box. Everytime I have gone to HPD to register someone is there with their cardboard box.

one2boost

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2013, 04:45:02 PM »
I just took the hunters ed class, they mentioned if the firearm was shipped from the factory in a cardboard box it's legal.  I thought this was odd, but using some sort of official gun sock is legal as well.  And of course using a hard plastic case like Pelican. 

Using an actual brief case is illegal.  Also converting like a Dewalt sawsall to accept a fire arm is also illegal.  Just cutting out foam inserts for these items mentioned would more than just raise eyebrows if the Police was checking your vehicle.  They said these are a no go, because these items were not designed to hold/trasport firearms from the original concept/design.

passivekinetic

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2013, 04:52:16 PM »
I just took the hunters ed class, they mentioned if the firearm was shipped from the factory in a cardboard box it's legal.  I thought this was odd, but using some sort of official gun sock is legal as well.  And of course using a hard plastic case like Pelican. 

Using an actual brief case is illegal.  Also converting like a Dewalt sawsall to accept a fire arm is also illegal.  Just cutting out foam inserts for these items mentioned would more than just raise eyebrows if the Police was checking your vehicle.  They said these are a no go, because these items were not designed to hold/trasport firearms from the original concept/design.

Holy smokes, I am glad I asked this question. I had the mind to convert some of my other high quality luggage/briefcase hard cases to hold stuff, and that is why there was the whole discussion about custom foam.

Thanks for the heads up.
"The sheep fear sheepdogs, because they fail to see the wolves."
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Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2013, 05:22:16 PM »
I just took the hunters ed class, they mentioned if the firearm was shipped from the factory in a cardboard box it's legal.  I thought this was odd, but using some sort of official gun sock is legal as well.  And of course using a hard plastic case like Pelican. 

Using an actual brief case is illegal.  Also converting like a Dewalt sawsall to accept a fire arm is also illegal.  Just cutting out foam inserts for these items mentioned would more than just raise eyebrows if the Police was checking your vehicle.  They said these are a no go, because these items were not designed to hold/trasport firearms from the original concept/design.

I don't know why someone would tell you something like that. 

There are covert carry bags made for guns that look like tennis racquet cases.  The more "obscure" the case, the less likely it is to be targeted for theft, and the less likely it will make people you encounter nervous.

If the container does the same job as a commercially manufactured gun case, it's legal. 

Most cases I buy from Pelican are not originally designed or marketed for handguns.  They are for cameras and expensive electronic equipment.  These cases are 100% legal for firearms in Hawaii.  Not all Pelican/Pelican-like cases are firearm cases in concept or design.
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Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2013, 05:28:23 PM »
I leave it in my hard case. Then I transfer my pistols in the soft case, because I use it as a mat. I guess as long as its not reachable, and ammunition is nowhere near it then your fine. That's what I'm told...

808gmac

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« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2013, 05:31:27 PM »
I use one of those hard cases for golf clubs to transport firearms on the check in luggage, modified to lock of course.  I just put the rifles that are inside rifle soft cases, or pistols in cases inside,,pad them with clothes.  I never had any problems with the Airlines nor the TSA.

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Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2013, 12:09:45 AM »
I really love the way some people discourage legitimate questions.  Take it easy next time, Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra.

The law does seem open to interpretation, as it does in so many instances.

In Colorado, when one of my sons took his CCW class, he says the LEO teaching the law portion even admitted that the way the local law was written, a gun in a tranparent plastic Ziploc bag, labeled "GUN" with a magic marker, with a hole punched in it and a lock inserted through the hole, would technically meet the "cased" requirements as written for that locale.  (The LEO recommended that you don't do it that way.)

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I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2013, 12:28:52 AM »
I really love the way some people discourage legitimate questions.  Take it easy next time, Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra.

The law does seem open to interpretation.

Terry, 230RN

I don't see how anyone can interpret the law any other way than the way it's written.  The OP said he was already 99.9% sure about the law. 

His question went from a broad general question

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Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?

What about long guns?

As long as enclosed, unloaded, OK right? No ammo nearby.

to a specific gun case

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Yes, I have this one

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Padded-Weapons-Case,137,134.htm

And I put inside AR15, and 3 handguns.

Is good no?



to a specific location
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The other sidebar to this post of course is the fact that I bought new firearms! That is why I need to transport to HPD to register!

The original posted information,

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Enclosed Container means a rigidly constructed receptacle, or a commercially manufactured gun case, or the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm.


to me is plain, simple and doesn't change based on the number of guns, type of guns, or destination.  Only when flying do you need to look at other regulations imposed, not by Hawaii, but the TSA and airlines.

If you think I'm being tough, maybe I was trying to impress upon the OP he needed to take some time to research, read, and understand the laws from the source.  THEN, if he needs clarification, asking a specific question referencing the source would not take 2 pages of comments until we dragged the real questions out of him.

We all need to take responsibility for at least reading the state laws on firearms (several times!!).  If we can't even do that, then what do we hope to contribute here?
"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
--Justice Louis D. Brandeis