With current circumstances you would probably be better off with a walking  or a flashlight.

somebody photoshop a gun in his hand

what about this scenario. lets say im LEGALLY hunting in a public hunting zone which permits hunting with a firearm. what if a crazy guy jumps out of the bushes with a knife and attacks me. would i be allowed to use my firearm to protect myself?

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Personally, I am just waiting for the next mass shooting to happen somewhere where someone is actually carrying and stops the SOB in their tracks. Maybe that will shut them stupid anti gunners up.

You will never hear about it from mainstream media.  Maybe from Alex Jones but not CNN.  It will be overlooked just as the Navy Yard shooting has been because it does not fit the agenda. Funny how that works.

Personally, I am just waiting for the next mass shooting to happen somewhere where someone is actually carrying and stops the SOB in their tracks. Maybe that will shut them stupid anti gunners up.

You will never hear about it from mainstream media.  Maybe from Alex Jones but not CNN.  It will be overlooked just as the Navy Yard shooting has been because it does not fit the agenda. Funny how that works.

Either that, or there wouldn't be a mass shooting in the first place, as the nutjob would be pushing daisies.

Personally, I am just waiting for the next mass shooting to happen somewhere where someone is actually carrying and stops the SOB in their tracks. Maybe that will shut them stupid anti gunners up.

Happened, I believe at that mall shooting last year or the year before.  CCW holder pulls his gun and the perp turns the gun on himself.  Media seems to ignore that part of the story.

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Happened, I believe at that mall shooting last year or the year before.  CCW holder pulls his gun and the perp turns the gun on himself.  Media seems to ignore that part of the story.

Another stupid question, would firearms training count against you?  IE; prior military service(if extensive firearms training for MOS other than initial basic training), took defensive/offensive type gun courses(Magpul Dynamics Adaptive Courses, VATA, etc...)? 

I did not take the NRA handgun course, so I don't know what goes on in that class.  From what I have read and heard, it just covers the fundamentals of different style handguns.  A friend of mine told me, defensive/offensive tactics are not covered.  So I would guess the prosecutor painting a picture of you being this highly trained killer from taking this NRA handgun course would not hold water.  But would the other dynamic courses and/or prior military school training make you look worse than that gun wielding lunatic that just went on a killing spree?

Another stupid question, would firearms training count against you?  IE; prior military service(if extensive firearms training for MOS other than initial basic training), took defensive/offensive type gun courses(Magpul Dynamics Adaptive Courses, VATA, etc...)? 

I did not take the NRA handgun course, so I don't know what goes on in that class.  From what I have read and heard, it just covers the fundamentals of different style handguns.  A friend of mine told me, defensive/offensive tactics are not covered.  So I would guess the prosecutor painting a picture of you being this highly trained killer from taking this NRA handgun course would not hold water.  But would the other dynamic courses and/or prior military school training make you look worse than that gun wielding lunatic that just went on a killing spree?

The person taking a DEFENSIVE class has to keep that in mind. I've seen the Magpul vids and some "training" classes and from what I have seen, some of it is more offensive in nature. The maneuvering towards the threat is something out of FM7-8 where you are taught to lead ambushes, assault an objective. Sure they teach you gun handling skills but it is mixed in with certain maneuvering techniques that would be questionable in a court. Sure, if you are an operator these tactics would fair well, but most of us here are not in that line of work. The military offers all kinds of training depending on your MOS, skills etc. and of course the military operates differently from what an average Joe Citizen might do in the average neighborhood. If faced in court over a defensive shoot, I'd talk to an attorney first before divulging any kind of training you received.
In my observations and experience, new gun owners are empowered against nefarious individuals but they must also keep in mind what kind of legal atmosphere we are in Hawaii. I had to explain to my female friend and her new Glock that in a hypothetical situation, once the suspect runs away from your son and G19, you can't "finish" him/her off to make sure he/she doesn't come back to your house.
I didn't take an NRA class but I did take a CCW class in Tucson and what I liked about that class was the explanation of what a CCW holder can do and possible consequences in terms of the law.

They will care more that you had a weapon than the fact that you saved a life.

I talked to my cousin in HPD about that one case in Kailua, where the guy beat his girlfriend to death with a shotgun stock. I asked what would have happened if someone near by grabbed their firearm and shot the guy, and he said that the way the system is set up, they would do all in their power to charge you with a felony.

So sad that people value anti-gun mentalities over human life.

In some of our defensive shootings, I don't think anything like this has been the case.  We have seen guys stab someone to get their backpack back and not be charged with anything.  There have been others who have used a firearm to stop the crime and nothing.   If you go through and look at the charges or do searches on the bar associations case masker database, there really isn't all that much stuff.

Some of it I think is fluff.  Could you imagine the political fallout at the prosecutors office for charging someone who shot a man beating a woman to death in the street with a shotgun?  Women would flip their shit in a heartbeat!

Another stupid question, would firearms training count against you?  IE; prior military service(if extensive firearms training for MOS other than initial basic training), took defensive/offensive type gun courses(Magpul Dynamics Adaptive Courses, VATA, etc...)? 

I did not take the NRA handgun course, so I don't know what goes on in that class.  From what I have read and heard, it just covers the fundamentals of different style handguns.  A friend of mine told me, defensive/offensive tactics are not covered.  So I would guess the prosecutor painting a picture of you being this highly trained killer from taking this NRA handgun course would not hold water.  But would the other dynamic courses and/or prior military school training make you look worse than that gun wielding lunatic that just went on a killing spree?

I definitely can think of ways this could come back at you.  Especially someone who may have been trained in the use of force / escalating force.  Then again, it can be good for you to!  Maybe you don't shoot that bystander, or you are able to really articulate what / why you felt something that made you feel the need to escalate to lethal.

Personally, I am just waiting for the next mass shooting to happen somewhere where someone is actually carrying and stops the SOB in their tracks. Maybe that will shut them stupid anti gunners up.

You mean like they shut up after the Clackamas Mall (attempted) massacre that was stopped by someone with a legal firearm?  Liberals are retards.