Fire Starters (Read 34929 times)

oldfart

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2012, 12:29:32 AM »
how long do you keep the fat in the frig? does it smell? get rotten? the other half is concerned with bacteria, etc. thanks
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Yes, storage is a problem. This idea is still a work in progress. However, I recall that American indians used animal fat to make pemmican "survival food"
Here is some information about that topic:
http://blog.emergencyoutdoors.com/pemmican-original-fast-food-emergency-food-of-native-americans/

Herewith is an interesting discussion about preserving lard (pork fat):
http://www.backwoodshome.com/forum/vb/showthread.php?t=15575
I seem to recall American pioneers using lard in place of wax for canning foods. So they did not waste this commodity. Apparently real lard makes for GREAT pie crusts.

Someone mentioned freezing the fat. That is a good idea. I tend to generate more waste fat than actually use so freezing the excess for camping trips seems to be a winning idea. It would also help to keep your cooler that much cooler for a day or 2. Spoilage is not an issue on a typical campout.  That being said, I have a soup can in the frig that I store the waste fat. I believe it will start to get moldy eventually, but not yet. It has been there about 6 months. Apparently, the key to long shelf life is boil the moisture out and can it airtight.

Our forefathers had this all figured out. We are just re-inventing the wheel.





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oldfart

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2012, 12:54:19 AM »
Oh, by the way...if you need wax for fire starting or whatever, try making friends with a beekeeper. Beeswax is the best. I use it to make my own bullet lube (modified NRA formula).
It is a very useful item. Caution, melting beeswax will attract honey bees.
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Dboy

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2012, 05:35:39 AM »
Oh, by the way...if you need wax for fire starting or whatever, try making friends with a beekeeper. Beeswax is the best. I use it to make my own bullet lube (modified NRA formula).
It is a very useful item. Caution, melting beeswax will attract honey bees.
Any place sells the beeswax in bulk?

TeamMidori

Fire Starters
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2012, 07:15:22 AM »
Ebay

Kingkeoni

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2012, 07:22:37 AM »
Any place sells the beeswax in bulk?

None of your beeswax...  :rofl:
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

Dboy

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2012, 07:37:14 AM »
None of your beeswax...  :rofl:
haha I seen that coming from you. :rofl:

oldfart

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2012, 12:14:24 PM »
Any place sells the beeswax in bulk?
I am going to pick up a few pounds this week. It is not as cheap as parowax but I like supporting the local economy. It is pure Hawaiian beeswax from local apiaries.
The cost is $6.00 per pound for quantities less than 100#.
I have not purchased from this particular beekeeper before so I do not know how neat and clean the wax is. However it is not difficult to melt and strain through cheesecloth.
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Dboy

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2012, 08:39:45 PM »
I am going to pick up a few pounds this week. It is not as cheap as parowax but I like supporting the local economy. It is pure Hawaiian beeswax from local apiaries.
The cost is $6.00 per pound for quantities less than 100#.
I have not purchased from this particular beekeeper before so I do not know how neat and clean the wax is. However it is not difficult to melt and strain through cheesecloth.
Hey oldfart do you think I can pick some up with you?  LMK!  Thanks.

oldfart

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2012, 09:36:07 PM »
Hey oldfart do you think I can pick some up with you?  LMK!  Thanks.
How much did you want? Remember it is $6 per pound. What you planning to do with it?
Personally, I use it to make cast bullet lube. But I also wanted to try making candles. I just thought it would be a fun thing to do with the kids.
If you only need a couple pounds, I'll just pick it up and you can hit me up later.
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macsak

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2012, 12:08:00 PM »
almost forgot a good one-
dryer lint!

aloha

steve

If you want to make your own fire starters, you can use 100% cotton balls coated with petroleum jelly. Yah it's old news but I just tried them and they bunt for several minutes each. They light up with just one spark from a firesteel. I made a bunch and am storing them I this round candy tin. Jus thought I'd bring up an old method of making your own firestarters.

hvybarrels

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2012, 08:38:16 PM »
1. go to a 2a site

2. start a thread about how the trayvon shooter was racist

3. aim monitor at some tinder

4. keep hitting refresh
Is an armadillo just a tactical opossum?

Kingkeoni

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2012, 10:02:01 PM »
1. go to a 2a site

2. start a thread about how the trayvon shooter was racist

3. aim monitor at some tinder

4. keep hitting refresh

Hey, isn't that what you did?
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

hvybarrels

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2012, 11:12:30 PM »
guilty as charred
Is an armadillo just a tactical opossum?

Dboy

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2012, 07:05:57 PM »
How much did you want? Remember it is $6 per pound. What you planning to do with it?
Personally, I use it to make cast bullet lube. But I also wanted to try making candles. I just thought it would be a fun thing to do with the kids.
If you only need a couple pounds, I'll just pick it up and you can hit me up later.
I was thinking the same thing, candles.  I'm going to be off island for a while so I guess I'll pass on this round.  Let me know how clean it was.  I'll hit you up later.  Thanks! :shaka:

oldfart

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2012, 08:22:56 AM »
I was thinking the same thing, candles.  I'm going to be off island for a while so I guess I'll pass on this round.  Let me know how clean it was.  I'll hit you up later.  Thanks! :shaka:
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I went to meet with that beekeeper yesterday. Quite a remarkable person. I bought about 7 pounds of wax to attempt candlemaking with my kids.
I understand that pure beeswax candles are the holy grail of candles so we shall see. The wax was very clean and ready to use.

Going off topic a bit....
As a bonus, he gave me a small bottle of honey. WOW is that stuff good. I compared it to some Molokai honey and the Costco honey and there is no comparison. It is WAY better. I know what I'll be giving away for Christmas this year.

Additionally, we talked about my using the wax to manufacture my custom bullet lube. He brought out an antique Bavarian rifle that he was trying to identify. It was in poor condition with rust and a broken stock, but the craftsmanship and design was superbly elegant. Single shot-Top Break trigger guard release-Double set trigger- Slim hand checkered walnut stiock with schnable forend-Octagonal bbl. Perhaps I'll start a thread on this. Maybe someone has knowledge of this.
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Dboy

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2012, 01:20:55 PM »
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I went to meet with that beekeeper yesterday. Quite a remarkable person. I bought about 7 pounds of wax to attempt candlemaking with my kids.
I understand that pure beeswax candles are the holy grail of candles so we shall see. The wax was very clean and ready to use.

Going off topic a bit....
As a bonus, he gave me a small bottle of honey. WOW is that stuff good. I compared it to some Molokai honey and the Costco honey and there is no comparison. It is WAY better. I know what I'll be giving away for Christmas this year.

Additionally, we talked about my using the wax to manufacture my custom bullet lube. He brought out an antique Bavarian rifle that he was trying to identify. It was in poor condition with rust and a broken stock, but the craftsmanship and design was superbly elegant. Single shot-Top Break trigger guard release-Double set trigger- Slim hand checkered walnut stiock with schnable forend-Octagonal bbl. Perhaps I'll start a thread on this. Maybe someone has knowledge of this.
Wow sounds like you scored.  I guess next time I gotta get some.  thanks!

Surf

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2012, 07:11:16 PM »
I like to use cotton balls and petro jelly.  I might also mix in steel wool into the cotton for wet or hard start situations or magnesium shavings.  This is more of a 2-4 min burn with 2 balls.  If you want to prolong the burn use wax and that easily doubles or triples the burn time.  Just gotta understand you tinder or kindling type and how much burn you need to light the kindling.  I will also use cotton balls with petro jelly and then wax dip.  I also like to use toilet paper rolls or paper towel rolls.  Set them upright on wax paper and stuff with dryer lint or cotton balls in about 1" segments and add fill with wax.  When full add more lint then pour in wax, etc, etc.  Cut off 1/4" to 1/2" segments to burn.  The roll automatically gets saturated from the inside out with wax.  I also use Jute twine, sisal rope or Manilla rope also saturated in vasoline, but usually use wax coating.  Wax is the best for water tight.  Just note that wax is harder to light so for the toilet paper rolls I will slice the paper roll and attempt to fray the cut edge, or rough up the inner lint to catch a spark.  Also on the twine or rope balls I will leave a tail to peel back the wax and fray the ends to help take a spark.  Sisal is the most difficult. 

In this picture small starters from top L to R, - 2 cotton balls petro jelly impregnated and wax dipped (~5-7 min burn time), 2 cotton balls petro soaked with steel wool (can be lit with flint or 9V battery, same ~5-7 min burn time), Small bundle Jute twine wax dipped (~5 min burn time).
Bottom row are larger fire starters L to R - Toilet paper roll with dryer lint and filled with wax (3/8" slice ~10-15 min burn time, Sisal rope bundled and wax dipped (~10-15 min burn time),  10 petro jelly soaked cotton balls wrapped with toilet paper and bound with Jute twine (~20-30 min burn time).

TeamMidori

Fire Starters
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2012, 07:26:15 PM »
^^^ too much time...
Nah. Jk.

808shooter

Re: Fire Starters
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2012, 07:48:49 PM »
wow surf, pretty imaginative

TeamMidori

Fire Starters
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2012, 08:50:41 PM »
For real huh. I'm gonna try some of that. Now I got a use for my old toilet paper rolls. Chee