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macsak

Re: 12 ga #4 bird shot or Buckshot??
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2014, 12:41:45 PM »

Quote from: toku58 on December 19, 2014, 08:42:39 PM
Thanks for all the replies! I was asking about both #4 Buck and #4 bird shot. Either would a possible option. I have other guns for home defense but I would rather not kill my neighbor if I ever needed to let off a few rounds.

Home defense we're looking at a range of 10-15 feet so either would be good. So at that range even #9 bird shot would put a hole in the target almost like a slug. I don't want it to pass through the wall of my house with any real killing force. That's why I'm not looking for 00 buck or slugs.

I was told that non lethal maybe illegal due to the fact that people may shoot a perp simply because they know it wouldn't kill, but cause pain.

Not sure about why certain things are illegal here, in communist Hawaii??

I'm hoping they will start to allow open carry here like the rest of AMERICA!  :thumbsup:

Again Thank you for the reply!  :shaka:

Sports authoritah windward mall
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Kingkeoni

Re: 12 ga #4 bird shot or Buckshot??
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2014, 04:09:31 PM »
Quote from: macsak on December 20, 2014, 12:41:45 PM
Sports authoritah windward mall

I notice the box has a picture of a squirrel and a bird.

Maybe that's not the best choice for a man sized target.   :closed:
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macsak

Re: 12 ga #4 bird shot or Buckshot??
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2014, 04:19:28 PM »
Quote from: Kingkeoni on December 20, 2014, 04:09:31 PM
I notice the box has a picture of a squirrel and a bird.

Maybe that's not the best choice for a man sized target.   :closed:

so shoot at the man on a horse...
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aieahound

Re: 12 ga #4 bird shot or Buckshot??
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2014, 04:24:34 PM »
200 pellets simultaneously at 1300 FPS from a distance of 20 feet will ruin most peoples day.
( and not kill a neighbor )

As Clint Smith says:

"Shoot 'em then Shoot 'em and if they don't stop shoot 'em again"

Plus the wife and teenage kids can shoot it.

On the other hand
Why isn't there more #4 buck available locally ?

Maybe we should request OGC to bring some in.
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Q

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Kingkeoni

Re: 12 ga #4 bird shot or Buckshot??
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2014, 04:52:30 PM »
Quote from: aieahound on December 20, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
200 pellets simultaneously at 1300 FPS from a distance of 20 feet will ruin most peoples day.
( and not kill a neighbor )

As Clint Smith says:

"Shoot 'em then Shoot 'em and if they don't stop shoot 'em again"

Plus the wife and teenage kids can shoot it.

On the other hand
Why isn't there more #4 buck available locally ?

Maybe we should request OGC to bring some in.

Have you ever been shot with bird shot?

I personally know someone that was shot at 15 feet with bird shot. While it made a bunch of tiny holes, he suffered no life threatening damage, and drove himself to,the hospital.

Bird shot is for birds.

Anyone that tells you different is not a friend.
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Kingkeoni

Re: 12 ga #4 bird shot or Buckshot??
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2014, 05:08:11 PM »
Quote from: Q on December 20, 2014, 04:54:50 PM
Was he shot with multiple rounds of birdshot in a defensive situation? Where was he shot?

Side shot, rib cage.

I can shoot someone with a .357 in the foot and say I shot someone at 15yds and he sustained no life threatening injuries.

He didn't get shot in the foot




And 15yds is 45ft; none of the rooms in my home are even close to 20 ft, so birdshot will work for me.

He was shot at 15 feet. That's 5 yards away.
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Kingkeoni

Re: 12 ga #4 bird shot or Buckshot??
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2014, 05:58:31 PM »
Quote from: Q on December 20, 2014, 05:24:07 PM
Misread the 15 part, so my bad.




And I highly doubt anyone can be shot at 15 feet and sustained no injuries :


Your speed reading is letting you down today.

Re-read the post.

He was injured and drove himself to the hospital.

No LIFE THREATENING injuries.

I'll get him to email me some pics and I'll PM them to you.
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toku58

Re: 12 ga #4 bird shot or Buckshot??
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2014, 10:08:01 PM »
Yeah I'm sure that at 5 yards or less even non lethal can be lethal if hit in the right place.
A face full of bird shot will stop anyone! even at 20 yards. And your neighbors should be safe.

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aieahound

Re: 12 ga #4 bird shot or Buckshot??
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2014, 09:50:34 AM »
KK,

I'm curious, what size/number shot was he hit with ?

I'm thinking #8 or even #71/2 is a lot different from #4 high brass.

400 tiny pellets in #8 versus 150 much larger (but still small) pellets in #4.

No, I have not tested my theory on reactive targets.

Watermelon day at HDF !
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Kingkeoni

Re: 12 ga #4 bird shot or Buckshot??
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2014, 11:11:52 AM »
Quote from: aieahound on December 21, 2014, 09:50:34 AM
KK,

I'm curious, what size/number shot was he hit with ?

I'm thinking #8 or even #71/2 is a lot different from #4 high brass.

400 tiny pellets in #8 versus 150 much larger (but still small) pellets in #4.

No, I have not tested my theory on reactive targets.

Watermelon day at HDF !

I don't know what size, I think it had to be #8 or so because he was dove hunting.

He was wearing a t shirt and medium jacket. He got shot from about 15 feet away. The idiot that shot him took off scared.

I emailed him for pictures, waiting for his reply.

I did see the pics and while he was riddled, he left the hospital the same day he got there.
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Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
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