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Posting a picture of a CIA-sponsored coup that put a bunch of Nazis in power as an example of why we should be grateful for American Freedom? The Irony Meeter just went off the chart...

Don't feed the troll.......

Being that I have 4 penpals from Ukraine who tell me everything is fine there, I highly doubt you are right.

And no, they are not Nazi supporters or believe that the CIA/US is attempting to somehow overthrow their country. In fact, many wish to return to the Russian Federation because they feel Russia is becoming similar to America.

I don't think there would be American boots already on the ground if everything was fine. Probably the same NGO-sponsored Color Revolution people are still in charge of the media there and putting out that message, but other sources are saying the inexperienced force-conscripted Ukraine troops are being led to wholesale slaughter against the 'separatists' and Poroshenko's advisers are too scared to tell him how bad things are.



Seeing as how the last few 'nation building' experiments the State Department has undertaken have gone horribly wrong, I'm inclined to believe the worst.

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Please don't feed the troll!!!

He will keep coming back and will try and engage some well meaning member into an insane and inane argument/discussion.

He is doing this to satisfy some perverse pleasure he gets from stirring up other peoples emotions. Quit responding to his comments and he will eventually stop when he no longer has an audience for his drivel.

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Please don't feed the troll!!!

He will keep coming back and will try and engage some well meaning member into an insane and inane argument/discussion.

He is doing this to satisfy some perverse pleasure he gets from stirring up other peoples emotions. Quit responding to his comments and he will eventually stop when he no longer has an audience for his drivel.

 "Otherising is the dangerous act of turning someone into the enemy just because he or she looks different, prays different, speaks different, or thinks different. Some of history's most tragic events—wars, genocides, terrorist acts—began with ordinary people demonizing other ordinary people."

http://www.oprah.com/spirit/How-to-Talk-to-People-You-Dont-Agree-With

"Otherising is the dangerous act of turning someone into the enemy just because he or she looks different, prays different, speaks different, or thinks different. Some of history's most tragic events—wars, genocides, terrorist acts—began with ordinary people demonizing other ordinary people."

http://www.oprah.com/spirit/How-to-Talk-to-People-You-Dont-Agree-With

Oprah ?  Lol!

"Otherising is the dangerous act of turning someone into the enemy just because he or she looks different, prays different, speaks different, or thinks different. Some of history's most tragic events—wars, genocides, terrorist acts—began with ordinary people demonizing other ordinary people."

http://www.oprah.com/spirit/How-to-Talk-to-People-You-Dont-Agree-With

Do you even understand the irony of your post above? You just prove my point over and over again! 

Stay on topic TROLL.

 

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Oprah ?  Lol!

Oprah didn't write it, and I figured it was less condescending than this:

http://kidsactivitiesblog.com/17544/10-tips-help-children-get-along

 

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We wouldn't be on a tangent if people played nice and stopped with the personal attacks. If someone's world view is so shaky that it can't stand up to a little bit of scrutiny then it probably wasn't very sound to begin with.

We wouldn't be on a tangent if people played nice and stopped with the personal attacks. If someone's world view is so shaky that it can't stand up to a little bit of scrutiny then it probably wasn't very sound to begin with.

Why don't you change your name to Girl,Interrupted.

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Aaaaaaand we're still on a tangent....

Anyone else want to get back to topic, or did this just turn into the ad-hominem debate team?

Ok then allow me.

I find it very interesting that there are some pro-sovereignty people in the 2a community and I'm really interested to hear what the plan is if it actually happens one day. I met one of those Atooi marshals a few years back and he seemed like a nice enough guy, but he was a little vague on the details. Of course circumstances could widely vary, but are we talking about a kingdom? A republic? Loose association of islands with mutual aid agreements?

The legal case is very convincing, but winning a lawsuit and jumpstarting a nation are two different beasts entirely.

Ok then allow me.

I find it very interesting that there are some pro-sovereignty people in the 2a community and I'm really interested to hear what the plan is if it actually happens one day. I met one of those Atooi marshals a few years back and he seemed like a nice enough guy, but he was a little vague on the details. Of course circumstances could widely vary, but are we talking about a kingdom? A republic? Loose association of islands with mutual aid agreements?

The legal case is very convincing, but winning a lawsuit and jumpstarting a nation are two different beasts entirely.

IMO, Hawaii's gun control pattern was to keep the natives and plantation workers in check...  I don't see how all pro sovereignty are not pro gun freedom, unless it is their intention to keep its citizens unarmed, and under heel, if Hawaiian nation re-instatement ever happens... 

Also to add....Hawaii is a strange case that never valued personal freedom, either as a kingdom or as a state in the United states, also IMHO.    It's like Hawaii is stuck in the old Demorat infested south...