Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt (Read 73820 times)

Rocky

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2016, 07:09:14 PM »
Soy Bean Kahala (anyone know if I can move the Soy Bean down lower in the soil to fix the leggyness?)


Top Left: Pole Bean Poamoho
Top Middle: Sweet Corn Hawaiian Supersweet #9
Top Right: Lettuce Anuenue (Leggy... should have started them outside... also dropped in a few too many seeds... hopefully I can separate them when transplanting...)
Bottom Middle: Soy Bean Kahala


Lettuce Manoa (picked up a 4 pack from Lowe's as small seedlings)


Any tips or suggestions?  I think I should have started all my seeds outside... I put them by a window but... apparently not doing anything for them...

I'd try the leafy stuff (Manoa lettuce, Lettuce Anuenue  spinach, Kale Collard greens) in the hydroponic  bucket method I posted earlier.
it grows fast
Also, corn does not replant well ( at least for us it did n't.
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Q

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #61 on: January 18, 2016, 07:26:59 PM »
I'd try the leafy stuff (Manoa lettuce, Lettuce Anuenue  spinach, Kale Collard greens) in the hydroponic  bucket method I posted earlier.
it grows fast
Also, corn does not replant well ( at least for us it did n't.

Yup. Corn didn't do well in my bucket garden either.

The lettuce selections above are good, but keep them in a partial-shade area. Lettuce is a cool weather crop, and excess heat will cause it to bolt.

Kale is also a temperate weather crop. It CAN grow, but it's not meant to in Hawaii weather. I suggest attempting to grow tree collards, purple variety if you can find it.

The real question is: are you growing for nutrient density / health reasons, or are you growing to just put the space to use?

If you are attempting to grow the healthiest types of crops, then you need to reevaluate your intended purposes and select crops that are acclimated to tropical temperatures / climates, as well as provide the greatest nutrient profile.

blackheart0311

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2016, 09:03:41 PM »
Yup. Corn didn't do well in my bucket garden either.

The lettuce selections above are good, but keep them in a partial-shade area. Lettuce is a cool weather crop, and excess heat will cause it to bolt.

Kale is also a temperate weather crop. It CAN grow, but it's not meant to in Hawaii weather. I suggest attempting to grow tree collards, purple variety if you can find it.

The real question is: are you growing for nutrient density / health reasons, or are you growing to just put the space to use?

If you are attempting to grow the healthiest types of crops, then you need to reevaluate your intended purposes and select crops that are acclimated to tropical temperatures / climates, as well as provide the greatest nutrient profile.

Mainly, I am trying to build a skill-set. 

And come on guys, don't be soo gentle.... Let me know what you guys think.  Any suggestions?
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Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2016, 09:16:11 PM »
Mainly, I am trying to build a skill-set. 

And come on guys, don't be soo gentle.... Let me know what you guys think.  Any suggestions?

Yeah: lift the buckets off the ground.

blackheart0311

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2016, 09:19:33 PM »
Yeah: lift the buckets off the ground.

Why's that?
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Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #65 on: January 18, 2016, 11:46:56 PM »
Why's that?

Are there holes in the bottom?

blackheart0311

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2016, 07:48:40 PM »
Are there holes in the bottom?

Yes.
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Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #67 on: January 20, 2016, 02:05:29 AM »
Yes.

Then you want to keep it off the ground to prevent potential exposure to pathogens, detrimental nematodes and pests, which may enter your growing media through the drain holes.

Also, keeping it off the ground is better for drainage.

If you are going to create a controlled environment for your plants to grow in, might as well do it right so they don't get jacked up via exposure.

blackheart0311

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #68 on: January 20, 2016, 06:52:03 AM »
Then you want to keep it off the ground to prevent potential exposure to pathogens, detrimental nematodes and pests, which may enter your growing media through the drain holes.

Also, keeping it off the ground is better for drainage.

If you are going to create a controlled environment for your plants to grow in, might as well do it right so they don't get jacked up via exposure.

Makes sense.  Thanks!
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MauiLeatherwork

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #69 on: January 20, 2016, 08:30:08 PM »
The book Growing vegetables in Hawaii by Oshiro is really helpful. If you are at sea level, you'll be growing different veggies than what I grow at 3,000 ft.

I will suggest chayote squash if you have room for it. Easy to let it climb a fence in the corner of a yard. It pays to check with friends and neighbors in your area to see what performs well for them. If you could grab some sweet potato vine free from a friend, or some dry land taro...those are the sorts of things you can try growing without paying $ for them at the store.

Romaine is a nice lettuce to grow.  I love manoa lettuce but the romaine grows largest with smooth leaves. Cherry tomatoes are easier than all other varieties. Our acidic soils lack calcium. If you don't provide enough calcium building blocks for your tomato plants the fruits will have black spots at the bottom as they turn from green to red.

Pepper plants are happy in the heat. Hawaiian chili, Thai dragon, Serrano, bell, etc

Many plants can be planted deeper after seeking stage.

Also don't forget you can take the pineapple crown that you slice off the store bought fruit and plant that right into the soil. It takes a long time (2 years?) till it grows to bear fruit, but if you have the space it can be amusing to try.

Q

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #70 on: January 20, 2016, 08:36:52 PM »
The book Growing vegetables in Hawaii by Oshiro is really helpful. If you are at sea level, you'll be growing different veggies than what I grow at 3,000 ft.

I will suggest chayote squash if you have room for it. Easy to let it climb a fence in the corner of a yard. It pays to check with friends and neighbors in your area to see what performs well for them. If you could grab some sweet potato vine free from a friend, or some dry land taro...those are the sorts of things you can try growing without paying $ for them at the store.

Romaine is a nice lettuce to grow.  I love manoa lettuce but the romaine grows largest with smooth leaves. Cherry tomatoes are easier than all other varieties. Our acidic soils lack calcium. If you don't provide enough calcium building blocks for your tomato plants the fruits will have black spots at the bottom as they turn from green to red.

Pepper plants are happy in the heat. Hawaiian chili, Thai dragon, Serrano, bell, etc

Many plants can be planted deeper after seeking stage.

Also don't forget you can take the pineapple crown that you slice off the store bought fruit and plant that right into the soil. It takes a long time (2 years?) till it grows to bear fruit, but if you have the space it can be amusing to try.

Agree with Chayote, but plant (2) if you do.

If you can obtain wild cherry tomatoes, they are the best as they have acclimated to our climate.

Agree on peppers; far more nutrient dense and easier to grow than tomatoes.

Takes about 3-5 years to grow a pineapple.

Rocky

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #71 on: January 21, 2016, 01:01:17 PM »
Then you want to keep it off the ground to prevent potential exposure to pathogens, detrimental nematodes and pests, which may enter your growing media through the drain holes.

Also, keeping it off the ground is better for drainage.

If you are going to create a controlled environment for your plants to grow in, might as well do it right so they don't get jacked up via exposure.
And slugs/snails  >:D
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Rocky

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #72 on: January 21, 2016, 01:07:07 PM »
Agree with Chayote, but plant (2) if you do.

If you can obtain wild cherry tomatoes, they are the best as they have acclimated to our climate.
AND I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT LITTLE F'N YELLOW BEE LOOKING FLY WHICH ALWAYS STINGS MY TOMATOES, CUCUMBERS, GREEN PEPPERS, BITTER MELON AND STUFF ( OH YEAH, BITTER MELON GROWS GOOD)

Agree on peppers; far more nutrient dense and easier to grow than tomatoes.

YOU CAN ALSO "CARPET BOMB' WITH BLUE LAKE BEANS 
they're fast and furious

Takes about 3-5 years to grow a pineapple.
LOL, MINE BEEN GROWING FOR 8 YRS
NEVER HAVE PRODUCED  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #73 on: January 21, 2016, 01:47:26 PM »
AND I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT LITTLE F'N YELLOW BEE LOOKING FLY WHICH ALWAYS STINGS MY TOMATOES, CUCUMBERS, GREEN PEPPERS, BITTER MELON AND STUFF ( OH YEAH, BITTER MELON GROWS GOOD)

Make some lactic acid bacteria liquid solution and apply it to the leaves.

If that doesn't work, use a neem, dish soap and some type of organic insecticide soap in a spray bottle.

Rocky

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #74 on: January 21, 2016, 09:56:22 PM »
Make some lactic acid bacteria liquid solution and apply it to the leaves.
does Lactic acid bacteria come from dirty boob breast milk from trippers ?

If that doesn't work, use a neem,(work my kidneys enough) dish soap and some type of organic insecticide soap in a spray bottle.(didn't work)
neither did garlic,chili pepper water (fried some plants), cooking oil and more.
Pretty much try to bag paper or plastic. They even sting through nylons
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blackheart0311

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #75 on: January 22, 2016, 08:55:21 PM »
Thanks guys! 

Anyone have experience with UH Seed Labs kaala bell pepper?  None of my seeds have sprouted, out of about 10... I planted them 12 days ago and still nothing.

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blackheart0311

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #76 on: January 22, 2016, 08:56:02 PM »
Make some lactic acid bacteria liquid solution and apply it to the leaves.

If that doesn't work, use a neem, dish soap and some type of organic insecticide soap in a spray bottle.

The dish soap doesn't harm the leaves?
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macsak

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #77 on: January 22, 2016, 10:07:12 PM »
The dish soap doesn't harm the leaves?

i think he is talking about one using neem, not regular dish soap

blackheart0311

Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #78 on: January 22, 2016, 10:10:45 PM »
i think he is talking about one using neem, not regular dish soap

Ahh ok.  I'll have to look into it. 
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Re: Vegetable Garden and Red Dirt
« Reply #79 on: January 22, 2016, 11:08:51 PM »
The dish soap doesn't harm the leaves?

No, dish soap does not hurt the leaves. You have to use as 'pure' a soap as possible, so dawn scent free is the best.

The soap is necessary because it strips the smothers pests and helps penetrate the waxy coating of their exoskeletons, which allow organic pesticides to enter their body more readily.

You can also use diatomaceous earth, but that is pretty much a last resort for organic approaches, as it is indiscriminate.