Much Appreciated Flapp_Jackson. Mahalo!

Go to page 8 of the attached PDF, right column, section labeled UPDATE.

GRRR !@##%% Just got the letter in the mail Yesterday. 

I wonder what happens next?  Does HPD automatically deny my permit, or do they actually review it.  My letter is pretty docile and  "low risk"  (Veteran-situation)  I am not ashamed to share.  With that being said..... the 2 letters are in fact conflicting.

as of 04/17/2017

The letter from HPD does state that Kaiser/Doctor must respond Yes or No for acquisition on a separate form (which was not attached as a copy for me to see) so not sure what form or Yes or No does a doctor have to respond to.


The  Kaiser letter in response to HPD though does say by HRS compliance to release documents but in NO way will make the decision and the decision is strictly up to HPD.


So they are both dusting their hands on who makes the decision still.  I still have a week to pick up my permit,  So I guess either I will get another letter from HPD directly or will find out next week if I approved or not....


what a bunch of horse..... yeah.........

You might want to print the PDF and show them at the window if they actually deny you for Kaiser not providing a mental health assessment.

Also, contact the HRA immediately (info is in the newsletter).  They collected the denial letters and coordinated the resolution with HPD last time.  Maybe there are new people working there since the Chief resigned and officers retired / were terminated?

You might want to print the PDF and show them at the window if they actually deny you for Kaiser not providing a mental health assessment.

Also, contact the HRA immediately (info is in the newsletter).  They collected the denial letters and coordinated the resolution with HPD last time.  Maybe there are new people working there since the Chief resigned and officers retired / were terminated?

Well..... This is not good,   Just got a call from HPD, they stated I will "NEED" a medical Clearance letter from my Doctor.  This they stated Kaiser WILL not ISSUE those letters, I will likely need to find another doctor, switch my carrier and then get a doctor, to sign the medical clearance form.


I brought up the HRA newsletter, they stated that, it is 2 years old.   They stated this is when Kaiser & Straub were not responding at all to the requests by HPD


Now that Kaiser is sending the generic letter.  they are stating that the we will NEED a medical clearance letter from a doctor. which Kaiser will not issue....

I will then also need to comply within 30 days to get another doctor, to approve or I will need to transfer all my firearms....... !@#$$%*(*@$$

Well..... This is not good,   Just got a call from HPD, they stated I will "NEED" a medical Clearance letter from my Doctor.  This they stated Kaiser WILL not ISSUE those letters, I will likely need to find another doctor, switch my carrier and then get a doctor, to sign the medical clearance form.


I brought up the HRA newsletter, they stated that, it is 2 years old.   They stated this is when Kaiser & Straub were not responding at all to the requests by HPD


Now that Kaiser is sending the generic letter.  they are stating that the we will NEED a medical clearance letter from a doctor. which Kaiser will not issue....

I will then also need to comply within 30 days to get another doctor, to approve or I will need to transfer all my firearms....... !@#$$%*(*@$$

are these new firearms that you will need to transfer?
bc they can't confiscate firearms that are already legally registered bc you are red flagged for a new permit
new permit is a new permit, and registered firearms are already registered
a red flag does not disqualify you from guns that are already registered, only red flags you for a new permit to acquire
red flag does not warrant confiscation.

Well..... This is not good,   Just got a call from HPD, they stated I will "NEED" a medical Clearance letter from my Doctor.  This they stated Kaiser WILL not ISSUE those letters, I will likely need to find another doctor, switch my carrier and then get a doctor, to sign the medical clearance form.


I brought up the HRA newsletter, they stated that, it is 2 years old.   They stated this is when Kaiser & Straub were not responding at all to the requests by HPD


Now that Kaiser is sending the generic letter.  they are stating that the we will NEED a medical clearance letter from a doctor. which Kaiser will not issue....

I will then also need to comply within 30 days to get another doctor, to approve or I will need to transfer all my firearms....... !@#$$%*(*@$$

Did HPD tell you what Kaiser told them?  Did they flag you for that "veteran-situation" you mentioned?

If so, then that's a different issue than the newsletter thing.

Did HPD tell you what Kaiser told them?  Did they flag you for that "veteran-situation" you mentioned?

If so, then that's a different issue than the newsletter thing.

Yups, called Kaiser, they will not do a waiver,  yes it is due to me going to behavior health for my prior service.

It is different , but not different I guess...  The fact that I was flagged, is ok,  the letters are very conflicting and looks like Kaiser is the only company that does not do waivers.  I will need to see a private doctor.

are these new firearms that you will need to transfer?
bc they can't confiscate firearms that are already legally registered bc you are red flagged for a new permit
new permit is a new permit, and registered firearms are already registered
a red flag does not disqualify you from guns that are already registered, only red flags you for a new permit to acquire
red flag does not warrant confiscation.

They stated it is for all firearms owned, not just for the permit to acquire.  I will have 30 days to provide a waiver or I will need to turn in my weapons or transfer them...

They stated it is for all firearms owned, not just for the permit to acquire.  I will have 30 days to provide a waiver or I will need to turn in my weapons or transfer them...

that is BS
HPD firearms division got their head up their ass
depends who you talk to, and you get a different answer

a red flag is NOT a disqualification.  HPD is not a psychologist, they cannot disqualify you.
all they can do is red flag you.  then you have to get cleared by a doctor.
they are full of crap down there.

i'll PM you a doctor you can go to
I went through all this years ago, so I feel your pain.
PM is on the way.

PM sent. 
lmk if you need any more help.

that is BS
HPD firearms division got their head up their ass
depends who you talk to, and you get a different answer

a red flag is NOT a disqualification.  HPD is not a psychologist, they cannot disqualify you.
all they can do is red flag you.  then you have to get cleared by a doctor.
they are full of crap down there.

i'll PM you a doctor you can go to
I went through all this years ago, so I feel your pain.
PM is on the way.

Stang much Mahaloz!    I have an appointment already with another doctor tomorrow morning =) I work fast LOL, I have been keeping eye on these threads and when the other member brought up the kaiser, I went into research mode, and Dr. Google showed a bunch of threads here where they rant into it.

Its funny, actually I wonder about that, now that you bring it up.  A flag does not disqualify me in a sense correct.  More so, if I acquired my previous weapon legally, it is not cause of confiscation of those firearms?  As Kaiser is unwilling an HPD is unwilling to properly determine, The real questions if they are wiling to determine they should automatically disqualify me which they are NOT, just flagging me.  Nuts though. As the letter provided, included my medical records that they could easily read and see if my history is violence or addiction or a danger?


Oh well just gotta go through the hoops I guess..... better to get it done at this point..... I will keep you all posted!

So Gang, A quick update!  I just wanted to let you know that I went through the process. Got a legitimate doctors notice stating that I am legal and no issues.   Took the documents down to HPD,  they made a copy and that seems to be it.  I hopefully can pick up my permit next week.

It wasn't too bad, but I would say I was lucky.  It was an extra pain in the you know what, but I guess under the circumstances, they are trying to at least "Checking/Vetting" 


So to confirm,  IF YOU HAVE KAISER MEDICAL.  They will indeed respond to the HPD letter, stating "POSITIVE" history if you have EVER seen behavioral health for anything.  Kaiser's stance is to NOT make an assessment and will not issue a medical clearance letter.  You will need to obtain a medical clearance letter from another outside doctor not related to Kaiser.

from my understanding all other medical options provide and respond except Kaiser.


So be aware if you are a new applicant, or redoing your applications.... there WILL be an extra step.........

So Gang, A quick update!  I just wanted to let you know that I went through the process. Got a legitimate doctors notice stating that I am legal and no issues.   Took the documents down to HPD,  they made a copy and that seems to be it.  I hopefully can pick up my permit next week.

It wasn't too bad, but I would say I was lucky.  It was an extra pain in the you know what, but I guess under the circumstances, they are trying to at least "Checking/Vetting" 


So to confirm,  IF YOU HAVE KAISER MEDICAL.  They will indeed respond to the HPD letter, stating "POSITIVE" history if you have EVER seen behavioral health for anything.  Kaiser's stance is to NOT make an assessment and will not issue a medical clearance letter.  You will need to obtain a medical clearance letter from another outside doctor not related to Kaiser.

from my understanding all other medical options provide and respond except Kaiser.


So be aware if you are a new applicant, or redoing your applications.... there WILL be an extra step.........

Of course, the stupid irony is, while stated correctly they are going through a process, they are NOT "vetting" you. 

You just provided a letter from a doctor who (I assume) has never treated nor seen you before this week, based on (again I assume) the records Kaiser has on you.  The doctor is merely glancing at your information and drawing a conclusion on the LACK of any information indicating a disqualifying condition.

Did they give you any mental health tests or questionnaires?  How much one-on-one time did they spend getting to know you?

The letter is a joke.  It vets no one.  If you were treated outside of Kaiser for mental health issues, would your Kaiser records contain that if you didn't tell them?

Glad you're happy, but this fact anyone has to pay extra to satisfy a feel-good, do-little law is illogical.

Of course, the stupid irony is, while stated correctly they are going through a process, they are NOT "vetting" you. 

You just provided a letter from a doctor who (I assume) has never treated nor seen you before this week, based on (again I assume) the records Kaiser has on you.  The doctor is merely glancing at your information and drawing a conclusion on the LACK of any information indicating a disqualifying condition.

Did they give you any mental health tests or questionnaires?  How much one-on-one time did they spend getting to know you?

The letter is a joke.  It vets no one.  If you were treated outside of Kaiser for mental health issues, would your Kaiser records contain that if you didn't tell them?

Glad you're happy, but this fact anyone has to pay extra to satisfy a feel-good, do-little law is illogical.

LOL dont get me wrong, in no way I said it was the right thing.... I just stated they are trying..

As for the doctor I went, I do have a connection to them, they did review my file, and I did go through a physical and mental screening.  So it was legitimate under the circumstances. I did not just ask someone to sign the paper and walk out.  I did sit with the doctor and had a pretty deep conversation.


Again for me I am actually trying to do the "right" thing, while it is ridiculous. It just shows that law abiding citizens are will to do whats right... The "real" dangers are those that choose NOT to do anything at all.   So good or bad I see the reasoning, objectively, while I dont fully agree with the whole thing..... it has its reasons....I guess *shrug*.

In addition I dont think it is HPD in essence as again Kaiser is the "ONLY ONE" that will not issue waivers.  Why is that, even with the Medical Clearance letter there is an HRS that grants immunity to physicians?  So is it HPD/a Law or is it just Kaiser......


Anyways my point is to provide info and what I had to do to comply,  What tough is if you are not as fortunate to have access to another doctor, it can pose a lot of issues.  So knowing the steps and what to do, I hope helps someone else that might run into this process.


I do not want to see anyone lose their 2A rights because of stupidity and ignorance.  This situation totally caught me off guard, but I am glad I figured out a way and a way quickly. 


Flapp_Jackson, thank you as well for your help and assistance!

Of course, the stupid irony is, while stated correctly they are going through a process, they are NOT "vetting" you. 
You just provided a letter from a doctor who (I assume) has never treated nor seen you before this week, based on (again I assume) the records Kaiser has on you.  The doctor is merely glancing at your information and drawing a conclusion on the LACK of any information indicating a disqualifying condition.
Did they give you any mental health tests or questionnaires?  How much one-on-one time did they spend getting to know you?
The letter is a joke.  It vets no one.  If you were treated outside of Kaiser for mental health issues, would your Kaiser records contain that if you didn't tell them?
Glad you're happy, but this fact anyone has to pay extra to satisfy a feel-good, do-little law is illogical.

Agreed. Another example of spurious gun control restrictions that does little to keep guns away from those who shouldn't have them and is a waste of time and resources.

Don't spend much time here. I am sure it's addressed somewhere but what's up with us and the "rap back" registration?

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Don't spend much time here. I am sure it's addressed somewhere but what's up with us and the "rap back" registration?

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thanks to Ige, we are the only state enrolled in it for firearms.

There doesn't seem to be any info about what we are to do as criminals in Hawaii 🤔

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There doesn't seem to be any info about what we are to do as criminals in Hawaii 🤔

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Besides not own a firearm?

Not an option. Retired career military, kids raised and off making lives for themselves. I got back into guns. NOT A CRIMINAL and resent the state government linking us with a system that follows us as if we are.

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