I just want to be clear on something else.

I love the Islands, the people are great (for the most part) but this state sucks ass.  This is the most corrupt, unorganized, over reaching, over taxing, nepotism riddled state I have ever lived in and that includes Maryland. For the most part people here just accept this way of living and I cannot.   I like living free vice having good weather and a good view.

And another point.   The handgun registration in the state of Hawaii only requires a thumbprint.

For them to put me in Rapback I would need to apply again to gain all of my fingerprints.  I am not applying for another permit as long as I live within the confines of this state.  That I can assure you of.

A thumbprint is all the form requires.  But for an FBI NICS background check, you provided a full fingerprint card. 

So our fingerprints and DNA samples that I did back in 1991 went in for MIA reasons.  Not any FBI database.  I truly have no idea what you are talking about and I have been active duty for 25 years.

The FBI and other agencies have access to military ID databases.

Haven't you been watching CSI or NCIS?   

The FBI and other agencies have access to military ID databases.

Haven't you been watching CSI or NCIS?   

Watching a little too much TV huh?   

Watching a little too much TV huh?   

No.  I know military investigative units routinely cooperate with civilian agencies.  There is little privacy for military members.  That's one of the many rights and freedoms we give up when volunteering.

No.  I know military investigative units routinely cooperate with civilian agencies.  There is little privacy for military members.  That's one of the many rights and freedoms we give up when volunteering.

But those freedoms given up do not include firearms lists as a private citizen.  I am still one of those at the end of the day.

I just want to be clear on something else.

I love the Islands, the people are great (for the most part) but this state sucks ass.  This is the most corrupt, unorganized, over reaching, over taxing, nepotism riddled state I have ever lived in and that includes Maryland. For the most part people here just accept this way of living and I cannot.   I like living free vice having good weather and a good view.

Sadly, I agree.
What to do? Run for office and clean up?
That's a lot of cleaning. Enough for a lifetime season of Hoarders.

And another point.   The handgun registration in the state of Hawaii only requires a thumbprint.

For them to put me in Rapback I would need to apply again to gain all of my fingerprints.  I am not applying for another permit as long as I live within the confines of this state.  That I can assure you of.

The new law says you have to do it when you register a firearm as well, So if you get a pistol, you get a permit and a background check, you wait 14 days pick up the pistol and get another background check.

So our fingerprints and DNA samples that I did back in 1991 went in for MIA reasons.  Not any FBI database.  I truly have no idea what you are talking about and I have been active duty for 25 years.

As its name suggests, the DNA Repository was initially conceived solely to identify the remains of service members.  However, a small entry in the huge 2003 National Defense Authorization Act, “signed by President Bush on December 2, 2002, overrides Pentagon policy that the DNA samples be used almost solely to identity troops killed in combat,”  and allows access to the Repository for law enforcement purposes.

As its name suggests, the DNA Repository was initially conceived solely to identify the remains of service members.  However, a small entry in the huge 2003 National Defense Authorization Act, “signed by President Bush on December 2, 2002, overrides Pentagon policy that the DNA samples be used almost solely to identity troops killed in combat,”  and allows access to the Repository for law enforcement purposes.

Did not know that.  Still I argue none of that identifies me as a gun owner.

Did not know that.  Still I argue none of that identifies me as a gun owner.

that's what your phone meta data does for them though. by recording and looking up the history of just the places that your phone has been to, they can paint a picture of your habits. not to mention that fact they collect information on everything that happens on the open web.

that's what your phone meta data does for them though. by recording and looking up the history of just the places that your phone has been to, they can paint a picture of your habits. not to mention that fact they collect information on everything that happens on the open web.

So I guess we should stop fighting this then and just roll over like fisheye.

Sorry that is not me.

Be like politicians , deny everything even if they show you on a video.   Then say depends what is ,is.

Someone "in the business" told me that several people have recently told him that rather than allow themselves to be entered into the RapBack system, they intend to purchase products on the mainland and/or produce their own. He's kinda pissed off because he's losing business.

Someone "in the business" told me that several people have recently told him that rather than allow themselves to be entered into the RapBack system, they intend to purchase products on the mainland and/or produce their own. He's kinda pissed off because he's losing business.

Well maybe these business will start to care and become more active in raising support, encouraging folks to submit testimony and lobby the legislature.


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I know I will never buy another firearm in this state.   This hurt businesses for sure.

I know I will never buy another firearm in this state.   This hurt businesses for sure.

Then they win, 100% gun control

Then they win, 100% gun control

If those people follow through on their statements about acquiring "undocumented" firearms, then they will be criminals. I'm not sure that's the same as "100% gun control". Having and showing little or no respect for the civil rights of firearm owners has consequences. Unintended consequences, perhaps, but consequences. I don't think it'd take a genius to figure out that when something gets banned, people who really want those banned items will find a "work around". The compliance rates for bans/registration/confiscation in New York, Connecticut, and Australia were all estimated to be less than 20%. The government created hundreds of thousands of criminals out of previously law-abiding citizens with the literal stroke of a pen. And for no legitimate "public safety" reason. Makes one wonder what the real reason/goal could be to turn that many people who haven't harmed anyone into criminals and thus be subject to arrest, prosecution, and incarceration. It's almost like they're up to something and being less than totally transparent about it.

Then they win, 100% gun control

Again I do not fall into the same category as most others on this site.  I am military and will be moving away from this liberal utopia within the next 24 months and returning to Georgia.


I am up for fighting this legislation as well as this idea here that lawmakers seem to think law making fixes a "crime" problem here in the islands.   What I find even funnier is the current tyrants here brag about a low crime rate but here they are continuing with more restrictions and infringement.

Again I do not fall into the same category as most others on this site.  I am military and will be moving away from this liberal utopia within the next 24 months and returning to Georgia.


I am up for fighting this legislation as well as this idea here that lawmakers seem to think law making fixes a "crime" problem here in the islands.   What I find even funnier is the current tyrants here brag about a low crime rate but here they are continuing with more restrictions and infringement.

Well, if some is "good" and more is "better" then too much should be "just right".  Whether it works or not...