Concealed carrier murdered by cop (Read 52589 times)

RSN172

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2016, 12:10:13 PM »
Is this a gun on his thigh ? Is this why he got shot ?



Lap portion  of seat belt over a portion of his T Shirt is what it looks like to me.
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Aegis808

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #61 on: July 09, 2016, 02:52:04 PM »
The police are in the wrong on this one. The NRA is a bunch of cowards for not standing up for this and only speaking out about the dead cops in Dallas.

London808

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #62 on: July 09, 2016, 04:47:22 PM »
The police are in the wrong on this one. The NRA is a bunch of cowards for not standing up for this and only speaking out about the dead cops in Dallas.

Please presnt evidence to support the fact the police are wrong, all we have at this time is speculation
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Aegis808

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #63 on: July 09, 2016, 05:01:32 PM »
Please presnt evidence to support the fact the police are wrong, all we have at this time is speculation

the evidence is that police pulled a car over based on suspicion of being a robber due to having a similar nose and then shooting a person dead because of them following instructions.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #64 on: July 09, 2016, 05:07:20 PM »
the evidence is that police pulled a car over based on suspicion of being a robber due to having a similar nose and then shooting a person dead because of them following instructions.

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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
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London808

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #65 on: July 09, 2016, 05:14:37 PM »
The girlfriend said : we were pulled over for a broken tail light,
The cop said it was for matching the physical description of an armed robber,
The girlfriend lied.

The girlfriend is saying he had a contacted  carry license, the sherif in his county are saying we dident issue one or have an application for him.

His girlfriend says he told him to get the wallet and then shot him whilst he was doing so,
The cop says he told him to stop moving and he dident so he shot him, (knowing he was armed and was being stopped for susspicion of being an armed robber)
The girlfriends now yelling the truth ????
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

London808

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #66 on: July 09, 2016, 06:17:53 PM »
And what do you know, cops saying he displayed the gun so he shot him,

St. Anthony Police Officer Jeronimo Yanez was reacting to “the presence of that gun and the display of that gun” when he opened fire on Philando Castile, attorney Thomas Kelly told The AP.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/09/minnesota-cop-who-killed-castile-says-he-reacted-to-display-gun/
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Aegis808

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #67 on: July 09, 2016, 09:37:02 PM »
And what do you know, cops saying he displayed the gun so he shot him,

St. Anthony Police Officer Jeronimo Yanez was reacting to “the presence of that gun and the display of that gun” when he opened fire on Philando Castile, attorney Thomas Kelly told The AP.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/09/minnesota-cop-who-killed-castile-says-he-reacted-to-display-gun/

http://reason.com/blog/2016/07/08/philando-castile-may-have-been-pulled-ov

the real reason for the stop was because of profiling based on a nose, as noted in the above link.

Aegis808

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #68 on: July 09, 2016, 09:39:55 PM »
The girlfriend said : we were pulled over for a broken tail light,
The cop said it was for matching the physical description of an armed robber,
The girlfriend lied.

The girlfriend is saying he had a contacted  carry license, the sherif in his county are saying we dident issue one or have an application for him.

His girlfriend says he told him to get the wallet and then shot him whilst he was doing so,
The cop says he told him to stop moving and he dident so he shot him, (knowing he was armed and was being stopped for susspicion of being an armed robber)
The girlfriends now yelling the truth ????

he had a CCW issued from Hennepin County, why the NRA isn't backing Philando Castile about this is complete BS.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #69 on: July 09, 2016, 10:21:17 PM »
http://reason.com/blog/2016/07/08/philando-castile-may-have-been-pulled-ov

the real reason for the stop was because of profiling based on a nose, as noted in the above link.

I was unaware facial features fell under "profiling."     :wtf:

African-Americans have a variety of nose "widths", so I fail to see the profiling aspect.

If I say, "suspect is a white male, 6', 210 lbs, black hair, and white running shoes with green stripes," is that "profiling," when I stop someone fitting that description?  Or would it fall under "spotting someone who fits the description?"

Maybe they redacted the dispatch recording where the cop said, "I see a Black Male and Female in a car.  I think I'll pull them over, because odds are good they've done something wrong."


Political correctness is censorship.  If our law enforcement can't honestly describe a suspect's features for fear of offending or being accused of "profiling," how the heck are they expected to find anyone?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

London808

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #70 on: July 09, 2016, 10:29:54 PM »
he had a CCW issued from Hennepin County, why the NRA isn't backing Philando Castile about this is complete BS.

They arent backing him because as they said in the statement they were waiting for more information, turns out it was a good call, The cops are saying he was pulling a gun and that got him shot, The GF is a liar and has contradicted herself and been caught out on a few details.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

London808

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #71 on: July 09, 2016, 10:45:41 PM »
Also i wonder when his CCW was issued, It says he worked at the school for 12 yrs and was a st pauls resident which is in Ramsey county and not Hennepin County,  The permit is only Valid for 5 years and you have to notify them of change of address and the permit can only be issued to residents of the county.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

eyeeatingfish

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #72 on: July 10, 2016, 01:03:14 AM »
The police are in the wrong on this one. The NRA is a bunch of cowards for not standing up for this and only speaking out about the dead cops in Dallas.

Actually I saw it reported that the NRA did call for a complete investigation into the shooting.

Aegis808

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #73 on: July 10, 2016, 03:23:42 AM »
I was unaware facial features fell under "profiling."     :wtf:

African-Americans have a variety of nose "widths", so I fail to see the profiling aspect.

If I say, "suspect is a white male, 6', 210 lbs, black hair, and white running shoes with green stripes," is that "profiling," when I stop someone fitting that description?  Or would it fall under "spotting someone who fits the description?"

Maybe they redacted the dispatch recording where the cop said, "I see a Black Male and Female in a car.  I think I'll pull them over, because odds are good they've done something wrong."


Political correctness is censorship.  If our law enforcement can't honestly describe a suspect's features for fear of offending or being accused of "profiling," how the heck are they expected to find anyone?

If a wide nose is all you have from a robbery that happened 4 days earlier is what you consider probable cause, cops would be able to pull over any damn car they want.

Aegis808

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #74 on: July 10, 2016, 03:26:39 AM »
Also i wonder when his CCW was issued, It says he worked at the school for 12 yrs and was a st pauls resident which is in Ramsey county and not Hennepin County,  The permit is only Valid for 5 years and you have to notify them of change of address and the permit can only be issued to residents of the county.

failure to notify of moving address is a petty misdemeanor, not an instant death sentence. It's amazing how folks around here complain about every damn hoop we have to jump through to own a gun in Hawaii and then turn around and defend the very same kind of stupid laws to justify shooting a person dead.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #75 on: July 10, 2016, 04:25:27 AM »
If a wide nose is all you have from a robbery that happened 4 days earlier is what you consider probable cause, cops would be able to pull over any damn car they want.

Nothing indicates that was the only matching feature he observed. It could just be the only one he verbalized or the one that stuck out most.

Bottom line is this, we really don't have much evidence to base any sort of judgment about the shooting. The video proves nothing and only offers a few tidbits of circumstantial evidence.

Claiming the officer is guilty of murder flies in the face of the burden of proof needed to even take it to trial at this point, much less actually convict.

Kingkeoni

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #76 on: July 10, 2016, 05:24:20 AM »
Oh wait. He was a black guy. He must have done something wrong. It's disgusting how some members of the gun rights community see themselves as champions of the constitution but always seem to ending up explaining away situations like this when it's someone of a darker complexion with a funny sounding name. The issue is if they can do this to one of us and get away with it then we are all in danger, and those who only defend the rights of people like themselves are way more damaging to the credibility of the movement than any Anti could ever be.

The reality is that none of us were there when the stop happened.

I honestly believe that most police officers are simply doing their job and not targeting people to shoot.

People like you though, jump to conclusions and post ignorant comments and statements like "murdered by cop" to incite racial tension.

If a police officer shot and killed someone and it is/was not justified then he should stand trial and pay for his crime like any other citizen would.

Having said that though, the sheer reality is that the facts have not been revealed as of yet and to jump to conclusions about this or any other shooting (especially where race is involved) just fuels the fire.

I honestly wish people would just wait for the facts to come out before becoming a part of the problem...
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new guy

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #77 on: July 10, 2016, 07:40:51 AM »
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robtmc

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #78 on: July 10, 2016, 10:47:43 AM »
I honestly people would just wait for the facts to come out before becoming a part of the problem...
For the race baiters posting here recently, that would violate the "Never let a crisis go to waste" principle.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #79 on: July 10, 2016, 01:12:36 PM »
If a wide nose is all you have from a robbery that happened 4 days earlier is what you consider probable cause, cops would be able to pull over any damn car they want.

The description did have more than the nose.  Anyone with common sense would know that.  The cop simply didn't ramble off all the matching features, maybe because he didn't want to state "Black Male" and be accused of profiling ....
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw